GoT - Is Over, Post Your Drogon Sightings
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Chukzombi
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Gavinmad
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THE TITLE IS NOT INHERITABLE! YOU CANNOT BE THE HEIR TO SOMETHING WHICH CANNOT BE INHERITED!
YOU ARE THE DUMBEST DUMB THAT EVER DUMBED!
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Sword of the Morning - A Wiki of Ice and Fire - A Song of Ice and Fire Game of Thrones
UH OH CHUK IS RIGHT!!!!
... AND HARLEY QUIN SOUNDS NOOORRMMMAALLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!
Chukzombi
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look, i know you want to get back to the important topic of GPS'ing kit harrington, but its 10 months til season 6, this is fun stuff to talk about until then, so if you dont like you can STFU.
Gavinmad
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You're just as dumb as chuk. The sword is inherited by one worthy of only that line, jackass
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You say:
THE TITLE IS NOT INHERITABLE! YOU CANNOT BE THE HEIR TO SOMETHING WHICH CANNOT BE INHERITED!
The wiki says:
The Sword of the Morning is a title of House Daynebestowedon the knight who bears the ancestral greatsword Dawn
To be The Sword of the Morning you must wield Dawn and be worthy of the title. To wield Dawn you must be of house Dayne. You, by all means, inherit the title as you inherit the sword. You do not gain the title automatically by having Dawn, but you do INHERIT the title from your fucking FAMILY LINEAGE if you're worthy.
You're inheriting it. It's just not mutually exclusive to carry Dawn. Don't be a dumb.
Gavinmad
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There is no inheritance involved, neither in the medieval sense nor in the spiritual sense, therefore even if Jon were the son of Ashara Dayne, he still wouldn't be 'the heir to the sword of the morning'.
If you're a knight of House Dayne, and they consider you worthy, you may be granted the privilege to wield the sword and bear the title. At all times, the sword and title belong to House Dayne. At no time is anybody inheriting the title or the sword. And yes, if you get the sword, you get the title too, because they don't give the sword to anyone without also giving them the title. Even if it was based on inheritance, and not solely at the discretion of whatever rulership House Dayne has, it wouldn't pass to the bastard child of Ashara. Since Arthur died without children, it would have passed to his elder brother, to then be passed on the Lord Edric Dayne.
In the spiritual sense of calling someone 'the heir', it doesn't make sense either. Arthur Dayne was a trueborn son of House Dayne and considered a paragon of chivalry and knighthood. As Ashara's son, Jon would be a bastard born of adultery, and while he is a generally honorable dude, he's really not much like his hypothetical uncle Arthur. In the spiritual sense of the word heir, it made sense to call Voldemort the Heir of Slytherin because while he was no heir of descent, he did inherit Salazar's ideology (and pet Basilisk). Calling Jon 'the heir to the sword of the morning' just makes no sense even if he's Ashara's bastard.
Now if Jon was brought back to life, found out Ashara was his mother, and promptly spent a couple years riding around the seven kingdoms engaged in honorable knight errantry, righting wrongs and generally becoming a paragon of chivalry and knighthood, then yeah, maybe someone could come up with calling him that. But I think we all know that ain't gonna happen.
If you're a knight of House Dayne, and they consider you worthy, you may be granted the privilege to wield the sword and bear the title. At all times, the sword and title belong to House Dayne. At no time is anybody inheriting the title or the sword. And yes, if you get the sword, you get the title too, because they don't give the sword to anyone without also giving them the title. Even if it was based on inheritance, and not solely at the discretion of whatever rulership House Dayne has, it wouldn't pass to the bastard child of Ashara. Since Arthur died without children, it would have passed to his elder brother, to then be passed on the Lord Edric Dayne.
In the spiritual sense of calling someone 'the heir', it doesn't make sense either. Arthur Dayne was a trueborn son of House Dayne and considered a paragon of chivalry and knighthood. As Ashara's son, Jon would be a bastard born of adultery, and while he is a generally honorable dude, he's really not much like his hypothetical uncle Arthur. In the spiritual sense of the word heir, it made sense to call Voldemort the Heir of Slytherin because while he was no heir of descent, he did inherit Salazar's ideology (and pet Basilisk). Calling Jon 'the heir to the sword of the morning' just makes no sense even if he's Ashara's bastard.
Now if Jon was brought back to life, found out Ashara was his mother, and promptly spent a couple years riding around the seven kingdoms engaged in honorable knight errantry, righting wrongs and generally becoming a paragon of chivalry and knighthood, then yeah, maybe someone could come up with calling him that. But I think we all know that ain't gonna happen.
Gavinmad
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I know, if only there had already been an issue about genetics and hair color that had been a major plot point of the story or something. Although the purple eyes thing was supposedly the blood of Old Valyria, since a few other families have the trait and it's more common in Essos.
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After all of this, the only thing you got me on is that Dawn and Sword of the Morning ARE mutually exclusive. You're still wrong about 'inheriting' it. As you basically made the point against yourself how you had to be in the HOUSE OF DAYNE to acquire either and no one else can. Inheritance.
Chukzombi
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i think the point was that robert's genes prevailed in all cases. all his offspring were dark haired. it wasnt that any dark haired person only produces dark haired kids. ned is dark haired, caitlyn was red haired. sansa was a redhead. as i said, i am not a Stark geneticist, so i dunno how it all works. ask lenas, he has the PHD in such things. alls i know is jon has no targ traits such as dany has.