GoT - Is Over, Post Your Drogon Sightings

Oh and to top it off the greatest military genius of westeros was just offed by his dwarf son.

Selix_sl said:

Not so sure I agree with that. Remember our Lord of Death George R. R. Martin likes his characters to have grey areas and Dany's hell area was basically her entire life before this point. Lost her family and birthright. Physically and sexually abused by her brother. Used as property to be sold by her brother and supposed friends. Fell in love with her rapist then bore his children only to watch him AND her unborn child die.

Then she gets dragons who are being fought over, stolen, bought and killed for. I'd say she probably has a bit of a long lifespan left if for no other reason then to serve as the Iron Bank of Bravos tool to get their money bank (whether she knows shes the tool or not). Or as far as plot goes she serves as a way to start up a whole new fucked up war right as the wall has fallen the barbarians are raiding, the walkers are coming behind them and the undead and newly power enhanced starks come hunting for blood.

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One: Drogo didn't rape Dany. That was an HBO-ism* as much as the Jaime/Cersei sept scene, Roz appearances/subplot, and Littlefinger's stupid monologue with the whores going at it in the background.

*There's a pretty strict formula that HBO has followed (and will continue to follow), and its based on demographics. Dany is the character that most women viewers identify with and are rooting for- and as a result, they have to white-wash certain book aspects to make it appeal to the greatest number of viewers. Daario's original casting (and this season's, to a certain extent) are a reflection of that. There would -not- be a subset of women shipping Dany/Daario if he was a blue-bearded, gold-toothed homomancer. If they didn't go with 'dashing debonair' Ken-doll Daario, Jorah would be the most popular romantic interest of Dany--and that's obviously not the direction they want to go in if they want to appeal to the lowest common denominator. It's the same general principle of sex appeal that they used to hash out Oberyn's TV persona and the reason why Dany/Drogo mostly consisted of sun-and-stars porn (not much feminine appeal to the concept of getting 1-shot impregnated in view of the entire khalasar.)

Zaara_sl said:

One: Drogo didn't rape Dany. That was an HBO-ism* as much as the Jaime/Cersei sept scene, Roz appearances/subplot, and Littlefinger's stupid monologue with the whores going at it in the background.

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Well, she definitely didn't have a choice in the wedding, but the sex the first night was consensual.

However, she was raped nightly for weeks after that.

khalid_sl said:

Well, she definitely didn't have a choice in the wedding, but the sex the first night was consensual.

However, she was raped nightly for weeks after that.

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...Derp. You are correct. :|

Sean_sl said:

It's great how much range Tywin's character has too. The stark difference in how kind he was to his remaining grandson was fantastic.

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As said before, there was nothing kind in that lecture, just manipulation. He realizes that the kid is still pliable, and he's telling him to listen to his counsel, now and forever.

Selix_sl said:

Oh and to top it off the greatest military genius of westeros was just offed by his dwarf son.

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Randyll Tarly is still alive.

Hehehehe!!!

Tuco_sl said:

Yeah, Tywin is beyond kind. He sees Tommen as the future of the Lannister legacy. And there's nothing evil or wrong in that, and his actions to make him a wise king would be hard to not classify as good even if they are only to further the strength of his own house.

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I guess you don't know how manipulation works. Pretend to be kind, pretend to be your victim's strongest supporter and manipulate them into doing your bidding. He gets to have power over the king, without having to be the target of all scrutiny that comes with being the king. He gets to rule from the shadows. The man is brilliant, cunning and calculating. I don't think he capable of actually, genuine kindness.

Khane_sl said:

I guess you don't know how manipulation works. Pretend to be kind, pretend to be your victim's strongest supporter and manipulate them into doing your bidding. He gets to have power over the king, without having to be the target of all scrutiny that comes with being the king. He gets to rule from the shadows. The man is brilliant, cunning and calculating. I don't think he capable of actually, genuine kindness.

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We don't know that yet. Joff was a terrible king. He never had Tywin taking him under his wing. What Tywin said is completely true. Listen to others and make a decision based upon your trusted advisers. Sounds pretty good. Joff would just torture animals and skip meetings. Tywin could simply be trying to mold a good king where he saw Cersei fail so badly.

Y'all be trippin. You dun drank the Tywin Kool-Aid. That man is a mind warrior who gives no shits about anything other than himself and his goals. And please don't interpret this as a spoiler because I have no idea if what I'm saying is even true, I have never read any of the books. So if you infract me you'll be spoiling the goddamn show for me!

Tywin is definitely trying to manipulate Tommen, but he gave him generally good advice either way, so does it really matter? I agree with Tuco's conclusion.

I never said Tywin wasn't trying to manipulate. But his idea may be "Have a good king with Lannister blood." In the end is that really bad? Cersei is what, 30 or something?, Tywin is probably in the sunset of his life anyways. Just trying to make sure he leaves house Lannister in as good a spot as possible.

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The most fascinating thing about Tywin to me is how he can shrug off everything and be level headed and plan for the future except for one thing. Tyrion and the fact the mother died giving birth to him. Tyrion is his Achilles heel.