Greece - A New Hope

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From some live feeds...

German tabloid Bild report that the IMF is pushing for Mr Tsipras's government to be replaced with a technocratic regime which would oversee the reform programme creditors are demanding in return for a new bail-out. Political analyst Dim Rapidis also cites sources in Washington saying the same.

...The Fund have decline to comment on the report. Meanwhile the #ThisIsACoup hashtag is trending on Twitter.
Greece news live: eurozone split over Grexit ultimatum plan as Greeks says they are being 'crushed' by Brussels - Telegraph

The Press Project has done some digging on the Luxembourg "Institution for Growth" to which the 4-page eurogroup paper demands that ?50bn of Greek state property must be transferred. Guess what. This Luxembourg "institution" is wholly owned subsidiary of German KfW and the chairman of its board is a certain Wolfgang Sch?uble.
Greece debt crisis: Athens faces 'temporary Grexit' if no deal - live updates | Business | The Guardian
 

Kedwyn

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Looks like they struck a deal and the Greeks have to go back and ratify it. Includes more than the originally proposed austerity measures. No telling if they'll be able to get it passed or not.
 

khorum

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It's genuinely perplexing everyone why the Greeks would even contemplate those terms for the "privilege" of letting Brussels make their monetary policies for them. Secessions and civil wars have been fought for far FAR less. In fact theactualNazis never imposed a seizure of 25% of the Greek GDP to hold in escrow or sell off Greek beaches, airports or auction off the Greek national electric utility company to the highest bidder. At least when the nazis took the Greek bank's gold, they left reichsmarks behind to cover it.

But agenuinely Marxist-Leninist Greek Governmentis actually going to beg their parliament to agree to terms that the Nazi occupation couldn't even think of attempting. Just so they can stay a member of what's turning out to be Bismarck's "Mitteleuropa".
 

iannis

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Germans obviously want the Greeks to just get. the. fuck. out. But Germans cannot force the Greeks out. Only the Greeks themselves can choose to leave. The solution to this problem is to make staying SO onerous that the Greeks have no choice BUT to revolt. And yet again, the Greeks choose option C. In classic greek style, they choose to get Greeked.

I've got to assume that at this point monetary policy and good faith governance is not driving any negotiations. Pure, mainlined, racial spite and nationalistic pride are the driving factors here.

And god it's beautiful.
 

Itzena_sl

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Here's what the money-men think:http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/e38a4...#axzz3fmCwRRSs

(Hint: They're not happy)

Greece's brutal creditors have demolished the eurozone project

Stripped of ambitions for a political and economic union, the bloc changes into a utilitarian project

A few things that many of us took for granted, and that some of us believed in, ended in a single weekend. By forcing Alexis Tsipras into a humiliating defeat, Greece's creditors have done a lot more than bring about regime change in Greece or endanger its relations with the eurozone. They have destroyed the eurozone as we know it and demolished the idea of a monetary union as a step towards a democratic political union.

In doing so they reverted to the nationalist European power struggles of the 19th and early 20th century. They demoted the eurozone into a toxic fixed exchange-rate system, with a shared single currency, run in the interests of Germany, held together by the threat of absolute destitution for those who challenge the prevailing order. The best thing that can be said of the weekend is the brutal honesty of those perpetrating this regime change.

But it was not just the brutality that stood out, nor even the total capitulation of Greece. The material shift is that Germany has formally proposed an exit mechanism. On Saturday, Wolfgang Sch?uble, finance minister, insisted on a time-limited exit - a "timeout" as he called it. I have heard quite a few crazy proposals in my time, and this one is right up there. A member state pushed for the expulsion of another. This was the real coup over the weekend: regime change in the eurozone.

The fact that a formal Grexit may have been avoided for the moment is immaterial. Grexit will be back on the table when you have the slightest political accident - and there are still many things that could go wrong, both in Greece and in other eurozone parliaments. Any other country that in future might challenge German economic orthodoxy will face similar problems.

This brings us back to a more toxic version of the old exchange-rate mechanism of the 1990s that left countries trapped in a system run primarily for the benefit of Germany, which led to the exit of the British pound and the temporary departure of the Italian lira. What was left was a coalition of countries willing to adjust their economies to Germany's. Britain had to leave because it was not.

What should the Greeks do now? Forget for a moment the economic debate of the last few months, over issues such as the impact of austerity or economic reforms on growth, and ask yourself this simple question: do you really think that an economic reform programme, for which a government has no political mandate, which has been explicitly rejected in a referendum, that has been forced through by sheer political blackmail, can conceivably work?

The implications for the rest of the eurozone are at least as troubling. We will soon be asking ourselves whether this new eurozone, in which the strong push around the weak, can be sustainable. Previously, the strongest argument against any forecasts of break-up has been the strong political commitment of all its members. If you ask Italians why they are in the eurozone, few have ever pointed to the economic benefits. They wanted to be part of the most ambitious project of European integration undertaken so far.

But if you take away the political aspiration, you may end up with a different judgment. From a pure economic point of view, we know that the euro has worked well for Germany. It worked moderately well for The Netherlands and Austria, although it produced quite a degree of financial instability in both.

But for Italy, it has been an unmitigated economic disaster. The country has seen virtually no productivity growth since the start of the euro in 1999. If you want to blame the lack of structural reforms, then you have to explain how Italy managed decent growth rates before 1999. Can we be sure that a majority of Italians will support the single currency in three years' time?

The euro has not worked out for Finland either. While the country is considered the world champion of structural reforms, its economy has slumped ever since Nokia lost the plot as the world's erstwhile premier mobile phone maker. France has performed relatively well during the euro's early years But it, too, is now running persistent current account deficits. It is not only Greece where the euro is not optimal.

Once you strip the eurozone of any ambitions for a political and economic union, it changes into a utilitarian project in which member states will coldly weigh the benefits and costs, just as Britain is currently assessing the relative advantages or disadvantages of EU membership. In such a system, someone, somewhere, will want to leave sometime. And the strong political commitment to save it will no longer be there either.
 

ohkcrlho

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Our leaders are gutless sacks of shit that will do what Germany tells them to do. Most likely result of all this bullshit is some retarded compromise that just kicks the can couple years forward when we are wondering again why Greece is even worse off this time.
Tuga life
 

Heylel

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It looks to me like Greece just became the first new colonial holding of the 21st century.
 

Itzena_sl

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If I was Greek right now, I'd say "Fuck it" and move to Germany - you're still being ruled by the same people but at least your vote isn't completely meaningless and the economy is better.
 

khorum

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Wellp it looks like it was a clever ploy to shut down Greek banks and swing the Greek economy from an annual pre-debt surplus down into a 3.5% GDP contraction so Syriza could negotiate for even worse austerity than the referendum voted "no" on.

So Greece is now the country of "No means Yes".... they should make that their tourism slogan and put hot greek chicks like Sasha Grey on the poster.
 

Heylel

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Sasha Grey is Greek? That makes sense, I guess. She's stuffed an awful lot of things up her ass.
 

AladainAF

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Wellp it looks like it was a clever ploy to shut down Greek banks and swing the Greek economy from an annual pre-debt surplus down into a 3.5% GDP contraction so Syriza could negotiate for even worse austerity than the referendum voted "no" on.

So Greece is now the country of "No means Yes".... they should make that their tourism slogan and put hot greek chicks like Sasha Grey on the poster.
brilliant. simply brilliant.