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I’ve been doing a rewatch of the Highlander series and boy it is pure 90s amazing cheese. Duncan is knocked unconscious like every episode and luckily there are no other Highlanders around to lop his head off. Sword fights that swap to grainy black and white, slo mo, synth soundtrack. Just abysmal acting by almost everyone, Adrian Paul is serviceable season 2 but wow, everyone else is super bad.

Haven’t watched this since it was originally airing so should be fun. I just finished Seaquest DSV/2032 and that show was a DISASTER.

The grainy black and white swordfight is near the beginning of Season 1. The first 60% or so of Season 1 is generally regarded as really bad, though the Mountain Men episode and the Die Hard ripoff episode are both fun enough. "Band of Brothers" is the episode where the show suddenly gets good, and it just gets better and better up through Season 5. My advice to anyone watching it is to not give up early-on and see it through at least to the end of Season 3 (that season is really good, and the finale arc of it could have been the finale of the entire show and been a fine ending).

People I know still talk about the show regularly. A friend of mine is near the end of a years-long watching of the show and is somewhere in early Season 5 last I heard.

Adrian Paul does his own stunts which is awesome. The guy who plays Joe Dawson is kind of an unsung hero of the show because he's a good actor and really anchors the show even though he isn't an immortal or a fighter or anything. Methos is also great once he finally shows up halfway through the show.
 
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I rewatched all of that shit awhile ago. Xena and Hercules are on par with the original Star Trek for me - yes, admittedly campy, and low budget SFX, but the writing is decent enough, and it's just good fun.

Highlander on the other hand didn't hold up at all - and this is coming from a guy who bought all 7 seasons on VHS. That shit is nigh unwatchable with how bad it is. Not really sure what's wrong with it either - I mean, evil of the week certainly gets old, it's pretty formulaic, but it almost like there's nothing in the series to give a shit about at all.

As someone else said already, the main problem with the show is that it constantly mentions immortals getting "power increases" from their foes, but never explains how that actually works. At the end of season 3, Duncan defeats this really powerful menace after an entire story arc, and at that point he's defeated a few very tough and legendary immortals. So then in season 4 he basically crushes all of his opponents because he's so powerful by that point...except it doesn't really explain how it works, yet again. Then in season 5 he has a few really challenging fights again, and wins those, so he should be getting even more huge leaps of power from that right? Well who knows. A guy who has the power of Kalas, Consone, Haresh, Martin Hyde, Xavier St Cloud, Grayson, and KRONOS is, in theory, gonna be basically invincible at that point right?

The movie Highlander Endgame attempts to actually explain how the power increases work, finally, but not really. They try to measure the power levels of the characters with their total kill numbers, but it doesn't make a whole lot of sense still. Duncan has like 180 kills and is pretty much evenly-matched with Connor and his 250 kills. That could be Duncan making up the difference by being more skilled at technique, or it could be that Duncan's 180 kills had some higher-quality opponents in it.

But then later in the movie we go from kill count mattering most to quality of kills mattering most, our heroes combine their 250 and 180 to get a 430 and be able to fight the bad guy and his 660. ...I mean it's all ridiculous and maybe the point is that it can't be explained and they're just taking shots in the dark the same way we are.

If I had to come up with something that made sense, I'd say it's based on kill count but you also get all the kills of those you've killed, and all of THEIR kills. This would explain why immortals pretty much never bother with "young ones" in the show. Like veteran immortals have basically zero interest in new immortals, or immortals that haven't won many fights yet. This is very consistent throughout. It must mean that they really do have a power quotient of like, 1. Duncan with his 180 kills, if his opponents on average had like 15 kills each, then that means he's got a good 2500+ score. Maybe he has a few high-value foes, like Kronos who was around 4000 years old (maybe even older) and likely had several hundred kills. So Duncan is actually in the 6000s when it's all added up. A noob immortal is going around with... 1.

So what does all this power even DO? That's the other thing they never explain. Who knows. I don't think it affects physical strength, the person's physique does that. Immortals work out all the time. So I'm guessing that it confers personality traits and knowledge / ability more than anything else. You might now know a move you didn't know before, or have a deeper knowledge of how the world works. ...which means it really isn't a power level at all, but rather just a consolidation of knowledge and abilities.
 

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The watchers were a great lore world building add from the tv series. Season 4 is the creative height. 5 is still really good. 2,3,4,5 is really good. 1 and 6 are meh
 
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The Krugen was after Connor because he wanted to kill as he knew he was a “latent” immortal as it would be known.

It’s just not explored much.
 

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The show makes the occasional nod to the power problem for example with Richie's first win (only because Duncan taught him the counter-move) and his first kill (guy fell half-way through the floor). Others I am sure I am forgetting. And there were some fights Duncan knew he had a good chance to lose. But beyond that, I felt the show simply used age and experience as being interchangeable with Immortal power, and Duncan often overcame that as he was constantly training (as obviously was the "good guy" in 90s series and they always won). The premise works if you don't think too hard about the rules.
 

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The premise works if you don't think too hard about the rules.

Whole franchise works as long as you don't think about it too much.

Which makes it pretty much perfect for 12 year old me.

45 year old me, on the other hand....
 
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Some names in this I didn’t know were attached

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Not thrilled with Bautista but everyone else looks fun!

2013 Riddick was the time Bautista really blended into a movie for me, probably due to limited dialogue. He's improved a lot since, but he tends to stick out performance-wise when the rest of the cast is turning in a different tone of performance, he's sort of still doing the Bautista thing and it feels like indicating and knocks the immersion down. It'll be fine but not great casting compared to other choices.
 

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Some good quality in that line-up. Russel Crow as Ramirez is a good choice I think. His age would be appropriate and the actor has already done sword work in previous movies.
Crow will need to lose a lot of weight to be believable as Ramirez.
 

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I’ve been doing a rewatch of the Highlander series and boy it is pure 90s amazing cheese. Duncan is knocked unconscious like every episode and luckily there are no other Highlanders around to lop his head off. Sword fights that swap to grainy black and white, slo mo, synth soundtrack. Just abysmal acting by almost everyone, Adrian Paul is serviceable season 2 but wow, everyone else is super bad.

Yeah, it was fucking awesome, wasn't it?

I rewatched all of that shit awhile ago. Xena and Hercules are on par with the original Star Trek for me - yes, admittedly campy, and low budget SFX, but the writing is decent enough, and it's just good fun.

Have you tried original Battlestar Galactica? The only problem with BSG, in my eyes, was that it was so short.

MILF? No... she was the hot neighbor or coworker you wanted to bang. She was 27 when Xena came out (with Gabrielle).
Lucy's oldest child was born in 1988. The show ran from 95-01. Hell, she had a second one while the show was running in 99. So regardless of whatever retarded definition you want to use, she was a bona-fide MILF. Gabby became a MILF right after the show ended. I saw her at a jason's deli in austin with her kid still in a carrier and she was still fucking hot.

Anyway, I'm hyped for this new movie.
 
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So anyone that has a kid at 18 is a milf? I thought that rule was for 40 year olds roughly, pretty much just another term for cougar
 

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Lucy's oldest child was born in 1988. The show ran from 95-01. Hell, she had a second one while the show was running in 99. So regardless of whatever retarded definition you want to use, she was a bona-fide MILF. Gabby became a MILF right after the show ended. I saw her at a jason's deli in austin with her kid still in a carrier and she was still fucking hot.

Anyway, I'm hyped for this new movie.
MILF is about moms with older children that their friends perv on. I mean, Xena was just straight up hotness. Did not look like a mom at all, but good on her for starting young.
 

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So anyone that has a kid at 18 is a milf? I thought that rule was for 40 year olds roughly, pretty much just another term for cougar
Mom I'd Like to Fuck. It's right there in the name. No age limit. Cougar is indeed something different. In the porn industry it just means a woman with bolt on tits. But they're all about pretending anyway, so you can't let that cloud your mind.

MILF is about moms with older children that their friends perv on. I mean, Xena was just straight up hotness. Did not look like a mom at all, but good on her for starting young.
That's ridiculous but the kid was 13 by the time they ended the show. You are probably under the mistaken impression that the term was coined by American Pie, where it was high school kids saying it about stiffler's mom. But it came about decades earlier in a playboy usenet group and the person who first said it clarified it was MOM I'D LIKE to FUCK. It wasn't one of his friends' mom. Just a model who had a kid and worked hard to get her body back in shape. MILF is honoring the women who put in that work.
 

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Mom I'd Like to Fuck. It's right there in the name. No age limit. Cougar is indeed something different. In the porn industry it just means a woman with bolt on tits. But they're all about pretending anyway, so you can't let that cloud your mind.


That's ridiculous but the kid was 13 by the time they ended the show. You are probably under the mistaken impression that the term was coined by American Pie, where it was high school kids saying it about stiffler's mom. But it came about decades earlier in a playboy usenet group and the person who first said it clarified it was MOM I'D LIKE to FUCK. It wasn't one of his friends' mom. Just a model who had a kid and worked hard to get her body back in shape. MILF is honoring the women who put in that work.
American Pie has the right of it. The language evolved. Stiffler's mom was hot. So was Xena.