House of the Dragon

jayrebb

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Other than the female powah shit I didn't see much of that in the first episode than say out of normal.
Even in GoT we saw that when it came down to it, all that female powah shit went away real quick when Jon Snow saw the bitch wasn't in the kitchen and knifed her ass.

D&D were notoriously anti-woke. They killed the Loras storyline without an update or face shot, after building it for several seasons. No camera time was allocated to the character at all, despite him being present for the scene. They wouldn't even focus the camera near him for fear it would accidentally get him in the shot and give him additional screen time. All tracking shots were done to keep Loras out of focus and completely out of the episode, except for knowing he was dead.
 
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Who in 7 hells is fucking Loras?

Oh Tyrell. I was having a blank thinking wtf did I miss.
He was the gay nazi like superdude on The Boyz and managed to keep his cock when 8001 others lost theirs
 

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I'm letting you guys be my deciding factor whether i watch this silliness or not. i do like me some beheadings and dragons as much as everyone else here. i just dont understand why the need to insert woke and american politics into something from a different planet at some different time in history.
Just going off the first episode, the actual show doesn't even seem to be particularly woke or Americanized, it's just the dumbasses running it who seem intent on inserting their own bullshit as though they feel the need to go on preemptive virtue signaling mode like this was a Netflix production.

- Corlys, a.k.a the show's own entry in the definition of a token character, does a perfectly fine job and fits in despite the showrunners flat out describing the casting choices as such. The only criticism I might have with what little fleshing out they have right now would be towards the writing, because he doesn't particularly strike me as this character going by the wiki entry. And again, that's criticizing the writers and maybe the casting director if the actor couldn't play that specific role, but he still does his role well and made a good impression.

- The Roe V. Wade commentary is pulled straight from their asses just to virtue signal, and really only shows how clueless they are because the situation in the show might as well be the exact opposite to abortion since they're actively trying to give birth. Bodily autonomy, technically, but you could say that about most things

- No real "girl power/slay kween," at least not yet, but seeing as how this is a prequel and we already know how things end, it's really hard to say just how much they could shove in without it looking ridiculous. It's the whole, "where are the black hobbits, Gandalf?" all over again, but unlike Lord of the Rings where the rights are so fractured and murky that Rings can easily be disregarded as Bezo's multi-billion dollar fanfic project, HotD is supposed to be a direct prequel to another HBO show. Seguing from that, they also apparently never got the memo that tHe LoNg NiGhT was a joke since the very first episode actually references that business, so again, we'll just have to see how silly they can get in the show itself.

I've only seen the first episode, and jayrebb jayrebb might be on the mark that this needed a two episode start to really hook people, which if it turns out to be the case might just be a reflection on some bad choices for how the first episode went. It's nothing insulting at least, no references to zootopia porn or forcing a blackmail pun, and thankfully GoT doesn't have elves or dwarves to fuck up.

My own guess is that HotD will suffer more from post-show commentary by the showrunners, writers, and actors, but not as much will leak into the show itself unlike a lot of shows these days where it's really the worst of both. After how much GoT soured everyone's opinion of the source, they would have benefited from just learning how to simply shut the hell up and stop trying to sour the opinion of anyone who doesn't exist in their twitter hivemind before their new show is entirely out yet.
 
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All of that is exactly why it's bonkers to get wrapped up in cast / crew interviews, tweets, convention appearances, post-show blathering, etc like so many here do.

Had this show magically dropped out of the sky and you viewed it in a vacuum, how hard would you have to work to draw any sort of modern day political agenda out of it? If the answer is any more than "a little bit", who fucking cares? If you disagree, you've allowed the ubiquitous cancers that are social media and round-the-clock entertainment coverage to pound your brain to mush. And no, I'm not excusing television / movies where the answer is "a little bit" or "not hard at all", but so far this show certainly doesn't appear to qualify. Even if in his personal life the head writer was crowned King Of Woke and lives in the Palace of Inclusion off of Non-Binary Street on Diversity Mountain, if I'm not clued into that fact by watching his show, I couldn't care less.
 
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for anyone that can't wait and get the 720p rip with french subs for valyrian, reddit posted the english translation

FIRST SCENE - DRAGONKEEPER TALKING TO COUNCIL:
Dragonkeeper:
It was when the night was dark, at the hour of the bat. The thief has escaped our pursuit.
Viserys: How can you steal a dragon egg under the eyes of 50 guards?
Dragonkeeper: It was Prince Daemon who took it, sire.
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Rhaenyra: What egg did Daemon take?
Dragonkeeper: That of Dreamfyre, princess. The one you chose for Prince Baelon's cradle.

SECOND SCENE - RHAENYRA SPEAKING TO DAEMON:
Rhaenyra:
My father made me princess of Dragonstone. It's my castle that you occupy, my uncle.
Daemon: It will be yours when you come of age.
Rhaenyra: You have angered your king.
Daemon: How did I upset him? Today I celebrate my marriage.
Rhaenyra: You already have a wife.
Daemon: That I didn't choose.
Rhaenyra: So you had to steal my brother's egg?
Daemon: A dragon shared your cradle. It will be the same for my child.
Rhaenyra: You are going to be a father?
Daemon: One day.
 
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for anyone that can't wait and get the 720p rip with french subs for valyrian, reddit posted the english translation

FIRST SCENE - DRAGONKEEPER TALKING COUNCIL:
Dragonkeeper:
It was when the night was dark, at the hour of the bat. The thief has escaped our pursuit.
Viserys: How can you steal a dragon egg under the eyes of 50 guards?
Dragonkeeper: It was Prince Daemon who took it, sire.
----
Rhaenyra: What egg did Daemon take?
Dragonkeeper: That of Dreamfyre, princess. The one you chose for Prince Baelon's cradle.

SECOND SCENE - RHAENYRA SPEAKING TO DAEMON:
Rhaenyra:
My father made me princess of Dragonstone. It's my castle that you occupy, my uncle.
Daemon: It will be yours when you come of age.
Rhaenyra: You have angered your king.
Daemon: How did I upset him? Today I celebrate my marriage.
Rhaenyra: You already have a wife.
Daemon: That I didn't choose.
Rhaenyra: So you had to steal my brother's egg?
Daemon: A dragon shared your cradle. It will be the same for my child.
Rhaenyra: You are going to be a father?
Daemon: One day.


Second episode rip is out, is what he's trying to say

Edit: even though it's 720p the quality on my OLED with madvr is indistinguishable. Admittedly I'd rather have the atmos soundtrack than a 2.0 version upmixed, but I'd rather watch it now than tomorrow even if tomorrow is a bank holiday here
 
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Ossoi

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Less boring than the first episode but still nothing of note happening action wise, just more initial chess moves.

Episode definitely did not shy away from one subject that could feasibly inspire negative articles in the left wing press. So a definite +1 in the non-woke column.

Any nerds here that can explain who the egg custodians are. I get why the egg was kept on a portable heat source, were those egg custodians burnt from being near to the heat?
 

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Consistent with GoT. The hook is a lot softer, charisma is lukewarm-- but Episode 2 was consistent enough with GoT to hold it's appeal.

Some characters still feel undefined and underdeveloped considering we're 2 hours in now. You care about some characters more, but it's still very "hmmm ok what else?" rather than looking forward to more of the characters next week. The black guy does a lot of talking again rather than showing us an establishing scene of some kind. His character being all mouth so far makes it hard sell for the viewer. He's heavy on exposition. Every time he speaks it's exposition it feels like. Little tiny scenes sprinkled in to assist him with that are lacking. The black guy being written as "all mouth, no show" so far in Episode 1 and 2 is probably my biggest complaint. They needed at least one defining 20-30 second scene of some kind showing something outside King's Landing wiith the black guy. They've talked up his house again in Episode 2 but it's all mouth.

Those charismatic scenes where a character really pops out like with the GoT cast probably aren't going to happen in this series. It just won't be as great as GoT.

Episode 2 demonstrated it'll at least be serviceable to fans of GoT.
 
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I saw a tweet last Sunday after the show where a woman said that death is exactly why she'll never birth a child and would get an abortion.
Imagine watching a fantasy show and basing your actual ONLY life purpose on why you would not do your only purpose in life which is create more life.
 

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if you download the leak you can get subtitles from places like this, its not perfect since it includes french and is more french->english so some bad translations but helps with the few valyrian sections

show is pretty meh. Episode 2 was 80% two chicks talking to each other about how hard it is being a chick. Great, just what I think about when I hear Game of Thrones. Only good scene was the Dragonstone bridge scene, and even that felt weak. Fucking egg toss? lol

The King is just ridiculous. Fine, you want to make him a weak ass retard, ok that can be interesting if he is surrounded by cunning, plotting betrayers. But c'mon, give him some weird ass Elden Ring rot too? The way he announced his marriage decision was stupid.

None of the characters feel like they have any conviction or righteousness, they just feel like characters moving a plot along written by writers. Why does Otto Hightower seem so dull? He should have Littlefinger or Varys' cunning and manipulation, but he just feels like Homer Simpson. I am warming up to black guy, his little speech at the end was great, but could not care about anyone else.

All the little "... and men will never accept a Queen!" speeches are laughably bad, considering GoT had Queen Cersei, who burned half of Kings Landing, and then Queen Danaerys who burned the other half. YAAAAS QUEEN, SLAAAAY!!!

Jesus, the writing and acting in this show is just terrible. Its also just so bad that we only see long ass scenes between nobles, I have no idea what the world is like for normies.

is that supposed to be someone with grayscale at the end?

I have a feeling Rings of Power will be more enjoyable than this, which is kinda nuts. Or both will be absolute dogshit I guess.
 
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All the little "... and men will never accept a Queen!" speeches are laughably bad, considering GoT had Queen Cersei, who burned half of Kings Landing, and then Queen Danaerys who burned the other half. YAAAAS QUEEN, SLAAAAY!!!

News just in: spronk spronk the Donk doesn't understand how prequels work.

Its also just so bad that we only see long ass scenes between nobles, I have no idea what the world is like for normies.

Yeah, fancy that in a show called House of the Dragon. Besides, not even true anyway - Daemons concubine had a fairly lengthy dialogue about her attempts to increase her social status, coming after she was publically insulted by Otto Hightower. Fucking moron
 
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jayrebb

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Its also just so bad that we only see long ass scenes between nobles, I have no idea what the world is like for normies.

No perspective outside of the King's Council is damning this show.

The best you can hope for is a GoT-like experience-- which was in jeopardy in Episode 1.

It's out of jeopardy in Episode 2.
 

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Not seen ep2 yet but King Viserys and Otto Hightower 100% needed better actors of the calibur of the guys who played Robert Baratheon and Littlefinger/Varys.

I don't want to see dull, quiet guys.
 
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King Viserys and Otto Hightower 100% needed better actors of the calibur of the guys who played Robert Baratheon and Littlefinger/Varys.

I don't want to see dull, quiet guys.

I can excuse the Americans being unfamiliar with Paddy Considine, who has mostly appeared in small, independent, British films. But I can't excuse a Brit being unfamilair with both him and Rhys Ifans, especially as Ifans has a much larger body of work.
 
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No perspective outside of the King's Council is damning this show.

The best you can hope for is a GoT-like experience-- which was in jeopardy in Episode 1.

It's out of jeopardy in Episode 2.

I'm sure we'll get an expansion of locations and time periods soon enough but it is bizarre how slow the show is moving, season 1 is "only" 10 episodes (same as GoT).

Surprisingly Ben Shapiro mostly liked episode 1 it looks like, he didnt seem to mention any of the pregnancy / Roe v Wade stuff which seems off brand for Shapiro. I also wonder who the Jews are in Game of Thrones, obviously the Iron Bank but are Targs basically Jews? They only marry each other, they have a distinctive feature, and they love to fuck kids. kidding!

 
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The wife talked me into watching an episode of two. Do here I am after one episode comparing it then the first episode of original series. It's just meh.

I'm not really that interested in the stories of any of the characters. There isn't anyone I want to do well. The nudity isn't titillating if that's possible (surprise butthole). Oh well, she liked it and I'm in for the season.
 
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Nirgon

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I'm letting you guys be my deciding factor whether i watch this silliness or not. i do like me some beheadings and dragons as much as everyone else here. i just dont understand why the need to insert woke and american politics into something from a different planet at some different time in history.

They're dead to rights on one change for political reasons. And one count of miscegenation that doesn't need to exist. Other than that it's pretty decent.
I cannot be bought off, pull no punches and will keep u posted. Starting ep 2 now.
 
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