There is no majority in something that is infinite, which is another reason why multiverse shit is shit.It's even more glaring when you introduce a multiverse where the vast, vast, majority of dimensions involve Mark siding with Nolan. One or a few Marks siding with their human family/friends stands out from that as a meaningful and hard choice on Mark's part. Not simply an "oopsie" on the part of Nolan for bringing Mark up without regard for his Viltrumite heritage, and having little to no bond shown between them.
There is no majority in something that is infinite, which is another reason why multiverse shit is shit.
On your other points, I somewhat agree, but I think they tried to keep Nolan more like a sleeper plant from a spy show. Where he can't risk a child letting something slip, and possibly tip Nolan's hand.
You're still operating from a point of a limited sample size, even if that sample size is in the trillions. If we're talking about actual infinity, no such limitation exists.If someone were to randomly traverse dimensions in the world of Invincible, it's portrayed such that around 95%+ of the time the world they encountered would be dominated by Nolan and Mark's team-up. I'd consider that a majority. If you expand your selection to include more dimensions where Mark rebelled, you'd necessarily include vastly more dimensions with the Nolan-Mark status quo, such that the majority ratio was maintained. I saw nothing in this episode that suggested otherwise.
I agree that the human brain has a very difficult time understanding probability and statistics (mine included).Can't say I agree there can't be a majority when considering infinity, inasmuch as the human brain can comprehend it (it can't really). If someone were to randomly traverse dimensions in the world of Invincible, it's portrayed such that around 95%+ of the time the world they encountered would be dominated by Nolan and Mark's team-up. I'd consider that a majority. If you expand your selection to include more dimensions where Mark rebelled, you'd necessarily include vastly more dimensions with the Nolan-Mark status quo, such that the majority ratio was maintained. I saw nothing in this episode that suggested otherwise.
Until they somehow clarify, and I hope they don't because the sooner they move away from the multiverse bullshit the better, we must assume they are using the same multiverse rules that almost everyone else uses.You're still operating from a point of a limited sample size, even if that sample size is in the trillions. If we're talking about actual infinity, no such limitation exists.
That said, I agree that there was nothing within the episode's internal consistency that suggested actual infinity, however.
I agree that the human brain has a very difficult time understanding probability and statistics (mine included).
There are an infinity of dimensions where Mark sided with his father, and there are an infinity of dimensions where he didn't, therefor there can be no majority. What someone traveling through infinity experiences does not mater.
Lets use a non-infinite example of what's happening: There are 1000 dimensions with a 50/50 split of evil/good Marks, but the traveler can only visit 100 of them. If out of the 100 he visited, 99 Marks sided with his father. He then presumes that Mark almost always sides with his father, when it is not the case at all. Keep adding 0s to the 100 out of 1000 numbers until your brain breaks (or to put it another way, for ever dimension he visits, he spawns 10 more dimensions with a 50/50 evil/good Mark split).
Until they somehow clarify, and I hope they don't because the sooner they move away from the multiverse bullshit the better, we must assume they are using the same multiverse rules that almost everyone else uses.
A finite multiverse would be even dumber than an infinite one, because then they would really need to try to make up some reason why it would be finite. I would wager that's a reason Marvel writers keep switching back and forth, because both are dumb, but trying to make it finite is harder to explain with something other than "because."marvel claimed there was an infinite multiverse. I don't remember comic invincible ever claiming theirs was infinite. does the show say its infinate, or are you just assuming it works like marvels?
DC's multiverse constantly changes... theres 52 universes. there's infinite. there's a fractal snowflake., theres 52 again. a dark mirror multiverse for 104 total... no, every story is cannon, and its own universe. every single one. including fanfiction and porn parodies.
sometimes authors, or character in universe claim infinite, or even the 52, which are wrong.
the Animated feature, JL: Crisis on two Earth's is actually pivotal on there not being infinite earths. Owlman want's to destroy the multiverse because its infinite and nothing matters. Takes batman to Prime earth to set off a multiverse bomb. But, Batman correctly points out, where are the others? if its an infinite multiverse with infinite owlmen, and batmen, why are they alone?
that last one is actually the correct answer for DC. DC is very meta. 5th dimensional imps, live between the comic book, and us. the Source wall, is the 4th wall, separating comic books and the real world. theres multiple stories that directly reference fans, and authors effecting the DC universe. outright in a circle. Superman inspires us, and we then write stories about Superman.. (some authors fuck it up, like having characters go beyond the source wall.. which was not supposed to ever happen... can't happen.) Which also means, again, that fan fiction, that porn, movies, tshirts, etc that authors and fans read all affect actual main stream comics. Its ALL real, its all canon in the multiverse.
most character in universe of course aren't really aware of this. they only know of the 52.
What I was trying to say is that the part of your post I originally quoted does not lend credence to anything, since it's just a bunch of multiverse bullshit. That one person sampling the multiverse and getting 95% of one result is just one person getting that result (aka it is meaningless). Another person could get the exact opposite result. If you flip a coin 99 times and it lands on heads, what is the chance it will land on heads the 100th time it's flipped? It's still 50% (it's a magic coin that cant land on it's side, so no 49% bullshit).Does it just need the clarifying/disclaiming adjective "effective" then? If as you sample dimensions, the ratio is lopsided 95/5 then that's a majority. It doesn't matter if everything expands to infinity. I get what you're saying but it feels pedantic.
By your logic, all of our human statistics on earth are moot because there are infinite worlds in the universe and on those worlds inevitably some are where women are 3x stronger than men, so we can't say that the average man is stronger than the average woman because infinity.
Within the frame of Invincible, there is an effective majority of worlds who are under the Nolan-Mark regime. Like, all things being equal, it's irrelevant if there are infinite rebellions because there are infinite non-rebellions at a monstrously higher rate. Unless you're somehow selectively sampling things, you're going to see a majority in any way you experience the multiverse.
I rewatched Season 1 this weekend so it was easy to notice Donald being alive when he was supposed to be dead. I did try to see if they were doing any dimensional shenanigans but it doesn't seem so, which means they should explain why he's there eventually. I haven't really ever had a complaint about this show (aside from Amber as a whole) so I can't imagine they'd make a fuckup like that. I wouldn't be surprised if they did it on purpose to see if people notice and get conversations going about it.
Off to a decent start, but man, it is really hard to top the final episode of Season 1. The whole murdering tons of people with his son's face, then asking him who he'll have in 500 years, and hearing, "You dad," man that shit fucked me up, and I don't even have a kid. Not sure it can ever get better than that.
What I was trying to say is that the part of your post I originally quoted does not lend credence to anything, since it's just a bunch of multiverse bullshit. That one person sampling the multiverse and getting 95% of one result is just one person getting that result (aka it is meaningless). Another person could get the exact opposite result. If you flip a coin 99 times and it lands on heads, what is the chance it will land on heads the 100th time it's flipped? It's still 50% (it's a magic coin that cant land on it's side, so no 49% bullshit).
In Invincible, so far, they have only shown that the multiverse traveling dude can only travel through the multiverse, not that he can see all the verses and know how things have played out there. Otherwise it would make his need to merge with 10,000 other hims, much less important, since he should already know what's going on in those verses.
As for real life, the multiverse as a scientific theory does not mean it's real, nor does the theory necessary resemble what some non-physicist trained comic book author, or worse, Hollywood writers tries to portray it as.
To make believable characters, the writers should be able to write them having bad/wrong opinions. The best I can distil it down to is: he is wrong and therefor your statement based on his wrong opinion doesn't add anything to your argument.Yeah man, this is exactly what I'm disagreeing with and suggesting that this is pedantry. It's not meaningless, it's the only thing that IS MEANINGFUL. If humans can't actually experience infinity, then the only relevant thing is what they CAN experience. If their only experience of it is this dude's ability to open portals, and through those portals are 95% Nolan-Mark regimes, then that's what's relevant; it's the only thing that's relevant (to the point where it's the thing driving his actions, in fact). The pedantic ackshually schtick is what's meaningless.
With the second part, you seem to be implying that our human experience is irrelevant, and that somehow infinity overrides statistics. That somehow everything that exists in infinity is a coinflip, rather than having statistical probabilities based on its fundamental nature. If you start sampling multiverse women, they have a 50% chance of being a woman as we know them, and a 50% chance of having a giant purple dick on their forehead. Because infinity. Coinflip.
This makes no sense. And who knows, it might actually be correct, but we'll never know one way or another. Regardless of whether or not it's correct, it's irrelevant, because we can expect that random samplings will continue to play out existing statistics, all other variables remaining unchanged.
The only way your post makes any sense is if you believe Earth is not a meaningful statistical sample such that we can draw conclusions as to the nature of humans. That somehow our Earth is an outlier, and the other infinite humans adhere to a different statistical distribution.
There is no majority in something that is infinite, which is another reason why multiverse shit is shit.
Your concept of infinity only being a concept and not being a number only exists in your universe, not mine.What ? Of course there is.
For example, there's an infinite number of integers, the majority of which aren't prime. See infinite sets.
Infinity is a concept, not a number, you can't do basic arithmetic operations like infinity - infinity = 0.
he whole thing about second generation being a challenge when it has no connection to where it came from is spot on, but I think the story would have been even better if Nolan had taught Mark from birth that he's a Viltrumite
So what does the majority of a binary outcome, when both have an infinite number of instances, look like?What ? Of course there is.
For example, there's an infinite number of integers, the majority of which aren't prime. See infinite sets.
Infinity is a concept, not a number, you can't do basic arithmetic operations like infinity - infinity = 0.
So what does the majority of a binary outcome, when both have an infinite number of instances, look like?