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I don't know if i ever caught your opinion on this, whats a pro thoughts on all of this?Right.. it wasn't admitted into evidence or cross examined.. but the entire jury had seen it on the news. So...
on SA and retard boy.
I don't know if i ever caught your opinion on this, whats a pro thoughts on all of this?Right.. it wasn't admitted into evidence or cross examined.. but the entire jury had seen it on the news. So...
I don't know if i ever caught your opinion on this, whats a pro thoughts on all of this?
on SA and retard boy.
Clearly tainted jury and appearance of corruption/bias on the police force, at a minimum retard boy's confession should have been thrown out (which would have resulted in a not guilty) and SA should be re-tried somewhere untainted (probably nowhere, now).
It's unbelievable to me that they didn't ask the jury in voir dire if they had seen anything about the case, and if so then excused them for bias.
But the one thing that really sticks out for me is the ruling the judge made that they cant say it was someone else that could of murdered her. I assume it was because of the confession from his nephew that made that ruling possible?
I'm no lawyer but it always seemed like the motive of Manitowoc County and the State was obvious. They had a $36 Million dollar lawsuit in their lap that they were very likely to lose. Now I'm sure that the State would be forced to cover it in the manner that police agencies are able to pay out lawsuits for various misconduct we see all over TV.
But shit rolls downhill and that police department and County would have been fucked. Careers, pensions, etc were all on the line as there would be a line of people forced to fall on the sword of the Avery lawsuit and made an example of for wrongfully convicting someone/ignoring evidence of his innocence.
That alone is why basic lawyering rules were bent or outright ignored all through the case.
The second season of this show they're talking about is likely to be trash though. It will all be current events. The creators of this season spent years gathering material to make it.
others have , but i was one of them. i also linked this and it is STILL VERY IMPORTANT to watchI believe one of you guys linked these videos back in the day on the old boards, and I keep them in mind.
I agree with everything you've said about Dassey and while the tainted jury was certainly shitty and unfair in Avery's case, I'm not sure that any court finds him not guilty even without that. People are dumb, it was 2007 and combine that with her body and his DNA. When you look into murder convictions, it's pretty obvious that the general public doesn't actually understand what reasonable doubt means. These people get in a room and they end up leaning one way and that's enough to send a guy away for life.It all comes down to the confession really. With the very thin physical evidence they had, the jury should not have convicted SA. But they all knew Dassey confessed, so they connected the dots to make it work.
Without the confession Dassey would not have been convicted either. Getting the confession through coercion and then basically reading a dramatization of it at a fucking press conference before the trials should have gotten that guy disbarred.
All the rest of the police planting evidence, yea maybe... police corruption... almost certainly... police pinning everything on SA regardless of the truth... absolutely.
But it all starts and ends with that confession, without it none of this happens.
DO NOT TALK TO THE FUCKING POLICE WITHOUT A (good) LAWYER.
I agree with everything you've said about Dassey and while the tainted jury was certainly shitty and unfair in Avery's case, I'm not sure that any court finds him not guilty even without that. People are dumb, it was 2007 and combine that with her body and his DNA. When you look into murder convictions, it's pretty obvious that the general public doesn't actually understand what reasonable doubt means. These people get in a room and they end up leaning one way and that's enough to send a guy away for life.
Edit: I reread your post and I agree with you more and more. They went after Brendan first on purpose and that was the foundation for everything. I still think he gets convicted by a random group of people just from the physical evidence too. No regular person in 2007 is thinking that a police cover up to this scale is possible anywhere but the movies.
I think the jury would have bought into the police planting the evidence narrative a lot more (as we all did, because it's obvious and shady) if the confession wasn't generally known. I think the jury seriously doubted the police corruption considering they thought the kid fairly admitted the crime.
3 minute clip and i had to shut it off after 2. stupid bitch.
The follow-up interview they did with that guy Dean was eye-opening too, anyone who hasn't seen it can get more questions answered. Its on youtube. Someone asked him about the jury and eliminating members at the beginning, and he says something about that result was what they were left with. Which means they removed people who were probably even worse.