Marriage and the Power of Divorce

What do you mean by drama free though? People have wildly varying opinions of that. I think it's normal to disagree and even argue or fight from time to time but to me that isn't drama. Drama is when one or the other person starts to become manipulative, vindictive, demonize you or anything else like that over long stretches of time and in public. Basically just stops respecting you as a person and lets everyone know it. That's drama and every relationship should be 100% free of that shit.

Would you rather have sex with a girl with a penis or a guy with a vagina?

Fucking LOL. This was supposed to be posted in the ask a gay guy anything thread.

Julian the Apostate_sl said:

Would you rather have sex with a girl with a penis or a guy with a vagina?

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Girl with a penis. Every time. Buck Angel creeps me the fuck out.

Given those two choices, I'll take the girl with the penis.

There is no position in which you could muster enough self-delusion to feel Buck Angel was attractive in any way. Srs don't think I could keep my dick hard for that.

For the sake of variety of the sexes, I asked my wife, who pretty much has zero interest in any sort of lesbian encounter, and she said she would rather have sex with the chick-with-a-dick.

Then pick a better one. Bailey Jae or someone. No fucking way I am slamming Buck Angel. No way.

Post in wrong thread, create worst derail ever.

This is the grown up forum, should probably stifle before this inevitably gets out of hand.

That chick doesn't have a dick anymore actually. I had to go do some research.

Shit, that might effect my vote. Fucking polls.

Khane_sl said:

What do you mean by drama free though? People have wildly varying opinions of that. I think it's normal to disagree and even argue or fight from time to time but to me that isn't drama. Drama is when one or the other person starts to becomemanipulative, vindictive, demonize you or anything else like that over long stretches of time and in public.Basically just stops respecting you as a person and lets everyone know it. That's drama and every relationship should be 100% free of that shit.

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That's pretty much all women. All women need drama, it's encoded in their DNA. The trick is to find a relatively harmless way for this need to be filled. I have seriously never known a woman who isn't drawn to drama (or create their own in the absence of any other source) like a moth to a flame.

That's a piss poor attitude. I know plenty of intelligent, adult women who aren't dramatic.

As human beings we have this interesting habit of dismissing other people's feelings. Everyone does it. But just because she's upset about something YOU think she shouldn't be upset about doesn't automatically mean she's being dramatic.

It is and I'd love to be proven wrong, but all my observations during my relationships and those of friends, family, and those around me tell me it is the case (even if in small ways and not full-on batshit crazy) It's a pretty subjective theory, though.

Khane_sl said:

As human beings we have this interesting habit of dismissing other people's feelings. Everyone does it. But just because she's upset about something YOU think she shouldn't be upset about doesn't automatically mean she's being dramatic.

Oh who the fuck am I kidding, they're usually being dramatic. But it's public, in your face, lack of respect drama that is the problem. Not the privacy of your own home, small time forgotten in an hour "drama"

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Agreed. If you live with someone, especially someone who's choices and demeanor directly affect you, there is bound to be some friction. Verbal sparring in private over the occasional disagreement is par for the course.

However, constant blow-up arguments, physical altercations and/or slandering your partner to friends and family are not. A good partner respects the lines, even when unhappy.

I think all women have some crazy in them. It has a lot to do with the mass amounts of hormones that dictate how we think and feel on a day to day basis. Yeah guys have hormones that effect how aggressive and shit they are too but we'll literally be unable to stop crying one day because we are pregnant and our hormones are just out of control.

Drawn to drama though? I think that is just a phase teenage and early 20s girls go through. I was such an attention whore when I was like 18. Everything was a huge deal and the end of the world. We grow out of that. Same with guys. If you're having drama problems, are you dating really young chicks, or some really shallow women that WANT to be 22 again?

And honestly, there are some pretty shitty men out there too. I think dating sucks no matter what gender you are.

Marriage isn't about drama though and if it is, it is a shitty relationship. Like Khane and Haast said, arguing, disagreeing and even fighting on occasion isn't drama it is just part of being two separate humans that live together.

My theory on the drama is part of it stems from all the shit women watch on TV. They think their life needs to be more aligned with the drama they see on television so they manufacturer nonsense to recreate that. This may be a (semi)subconscious reaction and could easily be hormone fueled as lindz pointed out.

Also I don't think guys are immune to this. I often try to make sex life to be more like pornography despite the fact my wife has very little desire for me to blow my load all over her face (thankfully she is mostly okay with most of the other depraved stuff I try to bring into the bedroom though).

*edit: And obviously the severity of this issue depends on the girl. Plenty of women out there are very grounded and don't do this.

I think some of you are out of touch with the drama issue. It's unavoidable and there needs to be some tolerance on both sides. You really think your wife doesn't talk shit about you to her BFF - you talk like that is totally unacceptable and grounds for not being in a relationship. That type of mentality creates those old guys you know, the ones who were married 5 times and boast about how they have never conformed to anything.