Marvel Universe stuff

a c i d.f l y said:

When you go back through the movies, certain ones come out better amongst the whole than they were when you first watched them, like Ironman 3. Dunno why, but I appreciate it more now. IM does some cool, cocky shit even without his armor.

Ironman 1 is also a near perfect movie if they would have left Jeff Bridges out entirely, and cut Ironmonger. It's the only one where Ironman is flat out a badass, and the punches he takes barely impact him. Every other film he's basically getting his ass beat with more and more powerful/technical armor. Civil War he gets his ass beat by Captain America and a gimped Winter Soldier. He does end up going toe-to-toe with Thanos, "drop of blood" and all, but he still gets shanked and loses. In IM1, the tank buster then walking away like a badass is still one of if not his best scene. Plus the helmet in that one is the best.

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On the other end, movies like Black Panther and Captain Marvel are even more fucking obnoxious and painful. BP had some cool set pieces, but it was so much dumb. CM would have been better if whoever edited it wasn't on drugs the whole time. But even with scenes in a better order, it's still a stupid movie with a stupid main character, stupid supporting characters, and a stupid fucking plot with an overpowered Mary Sue that's never in any real danger. WW1984 played very similarly. Just, so much dumb man-hating trash.

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so much this. over the years i have come to appreciate Iron Man 1-3, they arent bad movies and can be a lot of fun. although the end scene of Iron Man is fucking lame. yeah i love me Jeff Bridges, but he didnt need to be in his own fucking Iron man suit to be a cool asshole. he was terrifying all on his own. that end battle was so much like the Ang Lee Hulk movie ending that i really cant believe they recycled shit from a shit movie and put it into a good movie. but i can still enjoy the rest of the film, as you said its near perfect. the Edward Norton Hulk movie i didnt like that much in the theater, same with Cap1 , but i can enjoy them now and have no ill will towards them. maybe i will feel the same way about Black Panther and Captain Cuntface. i did Guardians 2 tonight, Homecoming tomorrow and Ragnarok on Sunday. here's to hoping those two improved with age. we will see.

Chukzombi said:

i started last week and just finished Doctor Strange last night. i really dont want to watch Black Panther or Captain Cuntface, but fuck it, i came this far.

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Just do your own version of Mystery Science Theater 3,000 for those 2 movies, and you'll be good to go.

a c i d.f l y said:

Re watching CM and BP made me hate them more in comparison to the rest, not gain any sort of reverence. ... BP setup the tech to save Vision, but that was nullified in Infinity War and washed with WandaVision. There's no point in watching that racist movie.

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BP is still my single biggest complaint from everything Marvel.
I still hate the idea that this magical metal = technology. It isn't knowledge that does it. Somehow the existence of a special metal makes its own super tech. And that's fucking stupid. It's like, before we knew how to make aluminum, we still made incredible goods out of metal. Sure, they weren't as light weight, but that doesn't change the fact that they were great.

Aluminum existing didn't some how give us the gift of canned beverages. It just allowed us a better way to make the cans.

a c i d.f l y said:

It took how many thousands of years of manipulating gold before we put it into a microchip? To your point.

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yes, but we had computers thousands of years ago.
there is no magic metal. and it doesnt make people smarter. especially people with magic metal who still run around in loin cloths chucking spears with plates in their lips. to this day i have no idea how this movie isnt considered massively racist. it basically shits on whites and it shits on blacks even worse. how nobody was offended by this movie makes me feel like i took crazy pills.

Xarpolis said:

BP is still my single biggest complaint from everything Marvel.
I still hate the idea that this magical metal = technology. It isn't knowledge that does it. Somehow the existence of a special metal makes its own super tech. And that's fucking stupid. It's like, before we knew how to make aluminum, we still made incredible goods out of metal. Sure, they weren't as light weight, but that doesn't change the fact that they were great.

Aluminum existing didn't some how give us the gift of canned beverages. It just allowed us a better way to make the cans.

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Uranium. Plutonium.

Kind of important metals that did indeed change everything we did.

Xevy said:

Uranium. Plutonium.

Kind of important metals that did indeed change everything we did.

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Drop a bunch of Uranium and Plutonium on African tribesmen, come back in a decade and tell me how it turns out.

The availability of materials doesnt cause literal loin-cloth-wearing savages to suddenly figure out metallurgy.

You're an idiot if you don't think that certain elements or metals, and knowledge on how to best use them or exploit them, don't have an impact on the technological advancement of a society. Then couple that with an abundant supply of said mineral and you're off to the races. The knowledge/exploit part is key, and through out human history, it isn't uncommon for the secret to be unlocked by accident/unintentionally. A nation that figured out bronze first would have a massive technological advantage in war over copper, and in turn iron over bronze. Looking at more high tech applications, having access to special materials can give you an advantage in making technologies practical...think things like rare earth minerals, or even things like aircraft grade aluminum that allow the construction of aircraft that previously steel or wood would have been unable to achieve. Plus one reason railguns and fusion reactors have taken so long to become practical reality is current materials we are using have a lot of difficulty standing up to the stresses present with the usage of such devices. Discovering a new material, and how to exploit it for your own uses, that allows you to bypass those limitations would let you do things technologically that you couldn't do previously.

Plus this is a fucking comic book. They sort of touched upon it in the movies, but Vibranium in the comics also had other qualities like special mutating radiation that gave life near it special qualities, and because there was so much of it in Wakanda, it effected things that lived there (mostly the plants, then things would eat the plants). So it literally is magic metal that could literally make you smarter and stronger.

I think because of the escalating stakes, they've had to power up everyone a lot more than normal. At this point, it's like Dragon Ball Z. Hawkeye and Black Widow were basically the Yamcha and Krillans, while everyone else is a Saiyan or Nameckian or Android. And when you become a Yamcha, you're basically a punchline to a joke.

Falxy-US said:

Exactly. They would make jewelry out of it and wipe themselves out from cancer.

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Wishful thinking, right?

Cybsled said:

So it literally is magic metal that could literally make you smarter and stronger.

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And a magical metal from space being the only reason an African nation could ever be advanced and prosperous isn't an example of hilariously over the top racism?

OU Ariakas said:

Their power is tied directly to how dangerous they are to the environment. It has nothing to do with the element itself. What a terrible analogy, but par for the course from you.

Your defense of this terrible movie comes off just as bigoted as the idiots that are actually bigots.

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So angry all the time. You're like Mudcrush if he drove a pick up truck.

Lanx said:

except black panter

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Black Panther has it's problems, but it's a masterpiece compared to Captain Marvel or most DC movies.