Mikhail and Hodj's Political Thread

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TheBeagle

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Because they are extremists.
Wow, i'm an extremist because i think fining a morning news show for doing a friggin Miley Cyrus story is completely pants on the head retarded? Right. I'm not the one that needs a little perspective in this argument. But carry on high-fiving each other as if you've won some great battle in keeping society safe for the children.
 

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You can't defend your view of why we need censorship and these noises are the death rattle of your argument.
You are extremely naive to think everyone has the right to do as they want. Some people are unable to properly function in society without guidance.

Before you say herp derp how can you say that, society is shit anyway; we didn't get as far as a species without this. Humans have progressed greatly even from the past 20 years.
 
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If 90% dont want to hear it in a publicly shared common space, I dont see how its even more right that they should be subjected to the whims of the 10%.
Because those "whims" are that the right of that 10% to say what they want not be infringed.

The 10% have their space. Let's roll back to gays, for a moment here. Gays have their newspapers, websites, books, plays, films, etc. They have their communities, their events, etc.

Is anyone keeping them from doing any of that stuff? No. But when they enter a publicly shared common space where the vast majority of the population is not like them, they should respect the wishes of the majority
Why? What about them being a minority means they should have to respect those wishes?

Is it wrong to make gay porn? No. Is it wrong to show gay porn on NBC at prime time? Yes.
According to you. Why should you be in charge? Because most people agree with you? Again, what about that condition carries ethical (rather than merely political) weight?
 

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Is it wrong to make gay porn? No. Is it wrong to show gay porn on NBC at prime time? Yes.
Who the fuck is making that argument?

You don't need decency laws to keep porn off NBC. The public backlash and removal of all ad revenue would take care of that.
 

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Wow, i'm an extremist because i think fining a morning news show for doing a friggin Miley Cyrus story is completely pants on the head retarded? Right. I'm not the one that needs a little perspective in this argument. But carry on high-fiving each other as if you've won some great battle in keeping society safe for the children.
No I did not mean it because of that. Like I said I agree with you with your views on religion, but to not to call them extremists would be dishonest, just like you saying that any censorship is harmful.
 
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You are extremely naive to think everyone has the right to do as they want.
Iknoweveryone has the right to do as they want so long as it doesn't harm others (and there's a burden of proof there, since you're proposing to infringe on that right). It has nothing to do with functioning in society. It's a matter of basic moral principles. People are free until someone stops them and they better have a good goddamn reason for doing so.
 

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Iknoweveryone has the right to do as they want so long as it doesn't harm others (and there's a burden of proof there, since you're proposing to infringe on that right). It has nothing to do with functioning in society. It's a matter of basic moral principles. People are free until someone stops them and they better have a good goddamn reason for doing so.
Who are you to say that? See I can argue like you.
 

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Community standards. What could ever go wrong there?

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Because those "whims" are that the right of that 10% to say what they want not be infringed.
Nobody is denying them that right. They are being asked not to say it in a commonly shared space with the other 90% because we dont give a fuck about their opinion and we dont want to hear it. They can still say it all they want amongst themselves and to anyone who wants to listen. We have already made the determination that we DONT want to hear it.

Why? What about them being a minority means they should have to respect those wishes?


According to you. Why should you be in charge? Because most people agree with you? Again, what about that condition carries ethical (rather than merely political) weight?
Please dont get into this stupid multi-quote half-assed socratic method that you employ against all these tards here. This isn't my first time in the internet I have no interest in diluting the cogency of my argument by splitting it up into 20 soundbites. Either formulate a response of a normal human being or admit that I am correct.

I mean if you seriously think that we should show gay porn on primetime NBC, then our positions are so far apart that we will never be able to reach a common ground. There might be literally 1% that would agree with you at most, even most of the gays would be opposed to that idea.
 

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50 years from now someone is going to post a picture like that with Araysar in it and his kids will be ashamed.
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No one is saying that information should be kept from her.

What I am saying is that it's the parent's right to decide when to have that talk, how to have it and in what context to have it. That's a parent's right. Not some homosexual activist's right.
It's illusory to think one can keep information from children for long is what I'm saying. We're not raising sleeping beauty here. Kids have internet and access to mass media, and generally are exposed to much more than we were as kids. I'd say it's smart to prepare them for the world, teach them how to navigate the sea of information, not try to hide it or put it off till we as parents are comfortable with it. To me it's about answering my kids truthfully when they have questions - layered with regard to complexity, sure, but never lies or half truths, and especially not fairytales masked as truths. I'm not giving the activist any power here, nor is he taking any from me or my child. Empower children instead of shielding them - the cost-benefit is rather obvious to me. Children mimic us. If we're awkward about sexuality, they will be too. I prefer to save money on their psychology bill even if it should cost me a moment of embarrassment.

I don't think I said anything about homosexuality here. Where did that come from? It's part of human sexuality, sure, and as such is a non-issue to me. I'll tell my children the truth when asked why their playmates have 2 dads or 2 moms. People love each other. Kids don't turn gay from exposure to the truth. AFAIK they're born gay or straight - exposed to specific hormones at specific time frames in utero. That's how it went the last time I checked my biology library anyway. Whom are we to dictate nature?
 

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Who the fuck is making that argument?

You don't need decency laws to keep porn off NBC. The public backlash and removal of all ad revenue would take care of that.
But Beagle, who decides what is socially acceptable or not!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
 

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Gotta love how when debating a law that is aimed at mainstream portrayals of homosexual relationships, Araysar keeps mentioning gay porn in primetime.

He really is scared of gay people.
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Gotta love how when debating a law that is aimed at mainstream portrayals of homosexual relationships, Araysar keeps mentioning gay porn in primetime.

He really is scared of gay people.
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Confirmed gaylid wants to wake up and watch two dudes butt pounding each other on prime time tv.
 

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No I did not mean it because of that. Like I said I agree with you with your views on religion, but to not to call them extremists would be dishonest, just like you saying that any censorship is harmful.
Not that ANY censorship is harmful. Of course you as a parent censoring what your child is exposed to is a good thing. But the Government censoring the media and deciding what we can and can't watch is a bad thing. I honestly don't see how that's even in argument in this day and age. McCarthyism and the Red Scare....bad. The Catholic Church vs. Science....bad. Local libraries burning copies of Fahrenhiet 451...bad. Turning a nip slip during the Super Bowl halftime show into a national crisis....ridiculously bad.
 
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