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Mikhail and Hodj's Political Thread
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khalid
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Okay Dumar, I'm going to buy into your theory for a bit. Mao wasn't a communist, Stalin and Lenin weren't communists. Pol Pot wasn't a communist.
You are. So how would YOU go about moving a modern capitalist society into a communist society?
In particular, suppose you were elected dictator of the US, thats right, not president, dictator. You had 60% support in the populace and control of the military. You could pass any legislation you wanted. What laws would you pass? What are YOUR solutions, the solutions of true marxists, to the problems that Lenin, Mao and Pol Pot had when they tried to convert their own countries.
You are. So how would YOU go about moving a modern capitalist society into a communist society?
In particular, suppose you were elected dictator of the US, thats right, not president, dictator. You had 60% support in the populace and control of the military. You could pass any legislation you wanted. What laws would you pass? What are YOUR solutions, the solutions of true marxists, to the problems that Lenin, Mao and Pol Pot had when they tried to convert their own countries.
hodj
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And then he's selectively only looking at the outcomes, then ex post facto rewriting Mao's intentions. So yes, he is claiming to be inside Mao's head, when he claims Mao was using it as propaganda but didn't really act it out.
Actually, he did act it out. His actions were in accordance with the main stream of Marxist theory at that time in history. Yes it was.
Dumar wants to claim that because the outcome was bad, there is no way the intentions could have been communist in nature. That's fucking circular logic. My ideology can't fail, because any failures in my ideology are the result of not meeting the standards of my ideology, not because of any flaws in my ideology. Even if every time my ideology has been tried, it has failed, that doesn't mean there's a flaw in my ideology, only in the people enacting it.
Its religious dogma, not science.
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I WANT a long post. Don't link anything, tell me your platform. I want to vote you, give me a reason.
Loser Araysar
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Clearly Dumar is much more educated in the hard sciences that Hodj prizes so much over everything else.
I'm not sure why Hodj doesnt just ask Dumar to help him out with some things.
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I think you are confusing intentions with outcomes. I don't think Team Commie ever made the claim that Mao's or Stalin's INTENTIONS were anything other than Marxist, only that the OUTCOME was anything but. Huge difference there.
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The best part is watching Hodj commit all the same fallacies that he accuses others of using.
hodj
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So you haven't read the thread very well.
And that's the only way you could come to the conclusion that they haven't claimed that Mao was really a double top secret decoder ring capitalist in disguise.
I'll try my spoilered best.
Yes. I said it three or four times already. You can't know Mao's thoughts. Maybe he earnestly believed his policies were communist, who knows. But my opinion is that he was invoking Marx for his own personal gain, much like Stalin.TheBeagle_sl said:
Their intentions don't much matter when they enforce a policy of forced labor, forced occupation, and terror in their governance.
hodj
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Cite some.
Start citing them.
Last time I asked you for citations you disappeared for over an hour so I'll be waiting with baited breath for you to fail to deliver any citations again.
hodj
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Uh, yeah you have. Multiple times over said that you know Mao's thoughts.
WHY were those policies being enforced Dumar?
Hmmmmm?
The question you want to avoid most.
WHY does each attempt at Communism end in forced labor, forced occupation, and terror in the governance?
Can you name us one?
Why even Araysar two nights ago showed that the Catalonians had terror squads out slaughtering.
hodj
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If Mao wasn't a Communist because the failure to socialize the agricultural sector and was forced to put farmers into labor camps to preserve the Revolution from Counter Revolution, then Hitler wasn't really a Fascist National Socialist for shoving Jews into gas chambers, because he failed to kill all the Jews and institute a thousand year Reich, and therefore didn't live up to the expectations in Mein Kampf of what a true Fascist National Socialist is.
Stupid, insipid argument is stupid and insipid.
Stupid, insipid argument is stupid and insipid.
Loser Araysar
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Bro, I'm not that invested enough into this to comb through 1,000 posts over the last few days.
I'm not the only who pointed them out, though
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Actually I think I was wrong on that. It wasn't the Catalonians.
See, I can admit when I'm wrong. There's nothing wrong with that, Hodj.
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