Although I agree that Ichiro should be a first ballot Hall of Famer, I don't think having the most hits in a 13 year period guarantees a spot in the hall. All the players that had the most hits in each decade going back to the 40s (as far back as I want) are Hall of Famers or probably will be (2000s: Ichiro) except for the 90s, and I don't think he will even sniff the hall.He has more hits than any MLB player in a 13 year span, that's Hall worthy alone.
I got feels man. come on now.It'd be almost as shocking as you doing something right.
Almost.
I agree they shouldn't be counted. When Cecil Fielder played over there, or any other player in MLB we never counted their HR's towards their pro stats or anything else and as much as I like Ichrio an exception shouldn't be made for him when it comes to official hits for his major league career.Although I agree that Ichiro should be a first ballot Hall of Famer, I don't think having the most hits in a 13 year period guarantees a spot in the hall. All the players that had the most hits in each decade going back to the 40s (as far back as I want) are Hall of Famers or probably will be (2000s: Ichiro) except for the 90s, and I don't think he will even sniff the hall.
However, his stats from the NPB should not be included. All this talk about the NPB being somewhere between AAA and MLB is BS. How many Asian players or players from the Japan league has sustained success in the MLB? If you still have doubts, check out NPB stats for Tuffy Rhodes, who couldn't even get a major league roster spot before he went to Japan.
Yu and Ichiro target 4,000When moving from the U.S. to Japan, it's the power stats that drop the most, with his NPB home run tally dropping from 118 to 59 after translation. But his overall hit count barely takes any hit at all because of the shorter seasons in Japan -- NPB played just 130 or 135 games a year while Ichiro was over there. When all is said and done, the translation gives him 1,275 hits rather than his 1,278 actual NPB hits.
for one I agree it's part of the body of baseball but you don't see leagues in any other country being mentioned, Japan should be no different."Counted" for what? Nobody's saying that it should be part of his MLB stats, but it's certainly a part of his body of work as a baseball player.
Unless you think that, say, Negro League players shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame either.
You are not much of a baseball fan if you think there is no place for it, THIS IS HOW BASEBALL HAS HANDLED PEOPLE LIKE AROD FOREVER UNTIL VERY RECENTLY.He didn't try to plunk him just the once, he tried to a previous time at the same at bat.
And because he did it with some sort of vigilante mindset and there's no place for that in baseball what so ever.
And yes, by that logic intentionally hitting people should actually carry a real penalty, yes.
He almost hit A-Rod in the knee which he just had surgery on and missed so then he went higher to do so. Fuck Dempster. I don't even like A-Rod but that shit is inexcusable.
Indeed, every time a 250million dollar guy with 600 home runs is at the center of a huge steroid controversy and flips on the people he brought in they throw at him multiple times per at bat.You are not much of a baseball fan if you think there is no place for it, THIS IS HOW BASEBALL HAS HANDLED PEOPLE LIKE AROD FOREVER UNTIL VERY RECENTLY.
You're right, being a fan of people not going out to try and hurt other people makes me not a fan of baseball. You got me.You are not much of a baseball fan if you think there is no place for it, THIS IS HOW BASEBALL HAS HANDLED PEOPLE LIKE AROD FOREVER UNTIL VERY RECENTLY.
First off, you don't have any clue how the posting system works. Japanese players cannot simply choose to come play in the US. It doesn't work that way and never has. So the Negro League analogy, even with your shitty argument, still works just fine.for one I agree it's part of the body of baseball but you don't see leagues in any other country being mentioned, Japan should be no different.
second, the negro league thing has been used a couple times and each time the same thing shoots it down. You can't compare the two because they literally had no where else to play until a certain point. Even if one of their players was better than anyone in MLB they were stuck there with no where to go. That's simply not the case anymore. That's why those stats are counted.
Also lets not get silly with the "its the baseball HoF, not the MLB HoF" stuff because name me a single player that was exclusive to Japan and was a superstar over there that's in the HoF over here. You know very well there isn't. No players in the HoF have stats included that they achived in any other league in another country.
I'm well aware of how players make the transition to the MLB and of the process involved. For them though at least there is the possibility of a process, that wasn't true with the Negro League for a very long time. It changed eventually and that's great, it needed too. But you can't compare the two, it's apples and oranges.First off, you don't have any clue how the posting system works. Japanese players cannot simply choose to come play in the US. It doesn't work that way and never has. So the Negro League analogy, even with your shitty argument, still works just fine.
Second, nobody's talking about making MLB stats and NPB stats exactly equivalent, but there are plenty of other leagues in the world, and what players do there matter. The game is just now starting to become more than just the playground for the western hemisphere; the "but it's never happened" argument is stupid. Ichiro was the first prominent hitter to come to MLB and that was a whopping 13 years ago now. Lots of precedent backing up your argument, there.
Third, Sadaharu Oh is amazing and you shut your whore mouths about him.