Monsters and Memories (Project_N) - Old School Indie MMO
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Flobee
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This is kind of an interesting topic for me. Is there space for a class that doesn't use "filler" abilities, or just something to press every X seconds? Is it fun if a class has a more or less full kit of skills that are timing or context dependent that generally don't reward spamming them on cooldown?
Is it more fun if the class has a kit that makes auto attacks a larger portion of their contribution?
I tend to think this could be fun, but I can't think of a great example of it that I've played. It seems really difficult to design around just spamming on cooldown, without making it feel like you're not actively playing. Maybe there needs to be a skill or two for general spamming which seems to be what you're asking for?
Quaid
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I think i just had a problem with the varying cadence of the combat. Some pulls with casters it was an embarrassment of riches, but for most i had very little to do.
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Burns
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I don't think the low actions per minute of melee toons in this game or EQ is fun at all if you are just sitting in a camp for hours. That is unless I have a second box running to keep me busy.
On the other hand, when I played my rogue in EQ, 20+ years later, I still remember breaking into various camps, creeping though the big dungeons as being fun (and just exploring the Velious/PoP zones w/o anything seeing me).
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Kriptini
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This is exactly what Rogue is. You only have three abilities with a cooldown short enough to be considered "spammable:"
1. Stab. Deals damage, more from behind. 10 second cooldown.
2. Evade. Reduces hate from your current target. 10 second cooldown, shared with Swift Strikes.
3. Swift Strikes. Increases attack speed for ~90 seconds. 10 second cooldown, shared with Swift Strikes.
Everything else are situational abilities with long cooldowns or extremely short duration CCs meant for interrupting casts, except for Ambush, which is the same thing as Stab except for having a 60 seconds CD and requiring stealth. You can get away with not meming Stab/Ambush at all and just having all of your damage come from autos, which is significant.
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Hatorade
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But then why play a rogue? I want to see those massive backstab numbers.
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Pasteton
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There’s such a silly amount of content in this game. I’m on all the time and still keep finding new quest starters or named I haven’t yet seen. Not sure if they keep ninja patching in new shit or if some stuff is just incredibly rare or what.
Now as far as whether any of these quests /factions are unfinished /broken and I’m just wasting my time, I have no idea lol. But there’s always something new to check out, including into the late game .
without spoiling too much, the later game has this enormous region with dozens of targets and so much shit to kill, it’s clearly meant to support 50-100 people in there together at once. Which amazes me as it will be months if not years before that many people even reach that point - assuming enough people even play the game to even get there.
And this is just what I’ve seen from the distance , I am sure there is much more than what i know, this game tends to have lots of secret tunnels , caves , and caverns that open up into massive dungeon crawling experiences , and I am too low level to get close enuf to see what there is.
If anything , a minor beef on the content side for them is a (self) perceived relative lack of content in the 30s-40s range which could just be due to my own lack of knowledge. This is not to say there is nothing to do, there is plenty (and it’s itemized!) but just seems less compared to what I have seen (and presumably not seen) in the 50+ area.
None of this forgives all the jank, weird bugs, and balance issues of course but it is an alpha and I can’t be too harsh on that. Burns post just made me think about what this game really nails, and exploration / breaking in a camp is definitely its highlights.
Now as far as whether any of these quests /factions are unfinished /broken and I’m just wasting my time, I have no idea lol. But there’s always something new to check out, including into the late game .
without spoiling too much, the later game has this enormous region with dozens of targets and so much shit to kill, it’s clearly meant to support 50-100 people in there together at once. Which amazes me as it will be months if not years before that many people even reach that point - assuming enough people even play the game to even get there.
And this is just what I’ve seen from the distance , I am sure there is much more than what i know, this game tends to have lots of secret tunnels , caves , and caverns that open up into massive dungeon crawling experiences , and I am too low level to get close enuf to see what there is.
If anything , a minor beef on the content side for them is a (self) perceived relative lack of content in the 30s-40s range which could just be due to my own lack of knowledge. This is not to say there is nothing to do, there is plenty (and it’s itemized!) but just seems less compared to what I have seen (and presumably not seen) in the 50+ area.
None of this forgives all the jank, weird bugs, and balance issues of course but it is an alpha and I can’t be too harsh on that. Burns post just made me think about what this game really nails, and exploration / breaking in a camp is definitely its highlights.
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Quaid
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Hey that’s great! That little synergy with Purifying will help a lot. This is a really measured and clever way to make Inquisitor more engaging early on without making it OP. Love that it's got two different effects depending on your previous actions.
Appreciate you Nick.
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Follow stalk the staff on twitch. They usually give away a few every few hours when they’re streaming.
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Siliconemelons
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Quaid
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I'm pretty sure they've hinted that while they're still targeting a January EA release, don't be too shocked if it's closer to the end of Q1 2026 than the beginning. They also said in late September the beta launch target is pushed back a bit so they can get key systems in and working. Makes sense. It is a beta 'test' after all. Can't gather good data on systems if those systems aren't there.
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Kirun
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A Chanter and a tank rolled into one? Oh hell yeah, sign me up! I've always dreamed of doing four times the work to carry an entire group of AFK pet classes, rogues, and wizards who are basically playing idle clicker simulators. Nothing sounds more thrilling than sweating through every pull while everyone else tabbed out to YouTube still somehow walks away with the same loot. Truly the pinnacle of "classic" MMO design - surrounded by human macros.
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