Monsters and Memories (Project_N) - Old School Indie MMO
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Lodi
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It's typically not the people in the fringe of a genre that are the "consuuuuume" type.
I think anyone could easily argue that instanced, and overly QoL'd games are actually the slop you are referring to. "Surely WoW will be good this expansion!"
And no, I don't care if they sold well. I care if it's shit or not. It's not in my interest as a consumer to care if a game sells well if it does nothing that interests me. I would rather they try and fail at something compelling rather than just make another copypasta MMO.
moonarchia
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In the real world whether it sells well determines its longevity. I'm not going to put time and effort into something that is going to get shut down in just a couple years or a couple months. And lack of instancing guarantees a game is going to be shit. Having 1-2 guilds monopolizing everything worth farming is one of the guaranteed death loops for an MMO. The poopsockers in those guilds will be the only ones paying for subs in very short order, and they are not numerous enough to keep a game afloat. This isn't 1999 anymore. There are dozens of other games that want your money and are willing to give you a game where you are the hero, not the zero.
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Pasteton
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Too many confident cowboys in here also resorting to personal insults when you contest anything they say.
there’s like, not a single person I can think of in this thread that’s actually played the game for decent chunk of time, that is doomering it. That is really all anyone needs to know, and also avoids the need to read kiruns blog on mmo deving that he’s generating here
there’s like, not a single person I can think of in this thread that’s actually played the game for decent chunk of time, that is doomering it. That is really all anyone needs to know, and also avoids the need to read kiruns blog on mmo deving that he’s generating here
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Quaid
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Kithani
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I mean I agree with you depending on how you want to define “decent chunk of time” I’ve prob spent 10-30 hours playing it and wasn’t a huge fan. I think I’ve skipped the rest of the play tests since last Summer. If you’re talking about dudes who play 40+ hours each test then I mean no shit they probably like the game lol
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Kirun
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If you think the game is great, awesome. Play it. But the moment someone questions whether nostalgia-driven friction mechanics and anti-discoverability strategies make sense in 2026, suddenly it's "blogging," "doomering," or "personal attacks."
You can't demand discussion and then clutch pearls when it's not applause.
You can't demand discussion and then clutch pearls when it's not applause.
Lodi
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No pearl clutching here. I'm disagreeing with a lot of the claims that are being made by the people being called doomers. I don't actually think launching a successful game is as easy as "instances mean x, therefore". I think it's extremely hard to tell why exactly some things sell and others don't and referencing one of the most successful games ever, a game that no MMO has touched the success of, is the only metric we can point to.
If being at the success level of a WoW or FF14 is the only way an MMO can make it, then old school fans of the genre are pretty fucked either way.
To me this game is kind of a hail mary. We never actually got an EQ sequel. Pantheon was not fuckin EQ, it had way too much WoW and EQ2 in it. The odds are definitely against it, though. I don't disagree with that.
If being at the success level of a WoW or FF14 is the only way an MMO can make it, then old school fans of the genre are pretty fucked either way.
To me this game is kind of a hail mary. We never actually got an EQ sequel. Pantheon was not fuckin EQ, it had way too much WoW and EQ2 in it. The odds are definitely against it, though. I don't disagree with that.