Monsters and Memories (Project_N) - Old School Indie MMO

Is Grim1 really flaming out because some random indie game isn’t cloning an extraneous class found in a different game from 25 years ago?

Flobee said:

My head cannon is Nick threw a fit because he was a classic hybrid enjoyer like myself and he got voted off the island. Brother wants that royalty check though so I doubt we get the details for years.

That said classes definitely needed work, but personally I was looking for more iteration on what was there than a complete gutting

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Not a single one of them is being gutted, though. Not even the SK. People are just sperging out and wildly jumping to conclusions on shit we still know don't know much about.

Del said:

People are just sperging out and wildly jumping to conclusions on shit we still know don't know much about.

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The classic EQ experience indeed

Who knows maybe the new Shadowknight needs to harvest thirteen wood elf clitorises and 13 cold iron spikes and combine them in a bag to form The Thirst Trap to unlock a Life Tap + Snare DoT

Del said:

Not a single one of them is being gutted, though. Not even the SK. People are just sperging out and wildly jumping to conclusions on shit we still know don't know much about.

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Shawn also mentioned in the recent podcast possibly removing FD from Shadowknights. Why the fuck are they even calling it a shadowknight? It's a lie they are using to fool people to give them money. It's deceit. The class they are creating isn't a Shadowknight. It's a bait and switch so they can make their gay shit. So yes I'm sperging because they wasted my time with their lies.

I only came to this game late because when I asked about the SK here you all said it was almost exactly the same as EQ. And it was. So I was willing to overlook their garbage graphics and the other major deficiencies to play this game.

Now they have shown their true colors and I know what to expect from these devs.. nothing of consequence or quality, just more lies and incompetence. And the ugliest game around with the most generic class design ever. Ick.

I hope you all like the game when it is released. I truly do. But I don't trust Shawn or this group and will not get fooled by them again.

Came to play Sauron or Litch King, got some bastardazation of Tom Bombidil and Rhadaghast

Man, I learned not to trust this group when EQ2 launched

Grim1 said:

Shawn also mentioned in the recent podcast possibly removing FD from Shadowknights. Why the fuck are they even calling it a shadowknight? It's a lie they are using to fool people to give them money. It's deceit. The class they are creating isn't a Shadowknight. It's a bait and switch so they can make their gay shit. So yes I'm sperging because they wasted my time with their lies.

I only came to this game late because when I asked about the SK here you all said it was almost exactly the same as EQ. And it was. So I was willing to overlook their garbage graphics and the other major deficiencies to play this game.

Now they have shown their true colors and I know what to expect from these devs.. nothing of consequence or quality, just more lies and incompetence. And the ugliest game around with the most generic class design ever. Ick.

I hope you all like the game when it is released. I truly do. But I don't trust Shawn or this group and will not get fooled by them again.

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Hilarious that you're this upset over some changes to a single aspect of a game you've paid nothing for and still don't even know what the end outcome will be. It's doubly hilarious when you realize this forum is full of men over the age of 50.

I will like this game when it's released. Thank you for your concern. Hope you enjoy Pantheon and AoC.

Grim1 said:

Shawn also mentioned in the recent podcast possibly removing FD from Shadowknights. Why the fuck are they even calling it a shadowknight? It's a lie they are using to fool people to give them money. It's deceit. The class they are creating isn't a Shadowknight. It's a bait and switch so they can make their gay shit. So yes I'm sperging because they wasted my time with their lies.

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Wasted your time with their lies? Dude WTF

Sorry you won’t be able to train other groups for their camps?

Del said:

Hilarious that you're this upset over some changes to a single aspect of a game you've paid nothing for and still don't even know what the end outcome will be. It's doubly hilarious when you realize this forum is full of men over the age of 50.

I will like this game when it's released. Thank you for your concern. Hope you enjoy Pantheon and AoC.

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So I take it you never read the Pantheon thread. 90 percent of this board does exactly what you are complaining about over there. Hypocrite much? Welcome to the internet.

Grim1 said:

So I take it you never read the Pantheon thread. 90 percent of this board does exactly what you are complaining about over there. Hypocrite much? Welcome to the internet.

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You say 90% of the board actually reads the Pantheon thread? I thought it was only like five people standing around making a special cookie together...

This might be an uncharitable take, but here goes. What strikes me as a little odd about their plans for class balance is how pretty much every class is getting a shake up. You're telling me not a single class is solid enough to generally leave alone? Monks need to lose the only thing that differentiates them from EQ monks? They should lean into Vanguard monks imo. SKs need " less Necromantic lore and strictly undead theming"? Ok, I guess. Rangers "need less Generic magical utility and elemental-themed abilities"? I mean, are rangers too dumb to encounter ice and fire and whatnot in the world and know what to do with them? There's nothing wrong with 2 classes sharing similar abilities, druids and rangers make great pullers by the way, much better than monks in most situations (and that's ok!) unless you need dead on-balls accuracy for splitting a camp.

It's just weird that every single class is getting adjusted in a fairly heavy handed way. It really sounds like the devs themselves are simply bored of all the classes are going to roll the dice and hope it turns out well. I'm not saying they're wrong per se, but all of the classes need adjustment? It reeks of amateur hour, a bit.

Grim1 said:

First thing I learned to do when playing EQ was training the zone at Blackburrow on my lvl 6 rogue while running for my life. First time I did that I zoned back in and there were corpses everywhere. I laughed and kept doing it until a GM told me that wasn't cool. I thought it was part of the design, was such a noob.

Still one of my favorite gaming experiences ever.

I rerolled a SK and learned how to FD my trains on other groups to get their camps. That was a ton of fun.

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Bro are you sure you won't come play MnM with us? Sounds like a super fun time

Kithani said:

Bro are you sure you won't come play MnM with us? Sounds like a super fun time

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Yeah those were fun times. The gms put a stop to that nonsense pretty quickly though. I still played for years after that and had a great time without fucking up someone else's day.

Break said:

This might be an uncharitable take, but here goes. What strikes me as a little odd about their plans for class balance is how pretty much every class is getting a shake up. You're telling me not a single class is solid enough to generally leave alone? Monks need to lose the only thing that differentiates them from EQ monks? They should lean into Vanguard monks imo. SKs need " less Necromantic lore and strictly undead theming"? Ok, I guess. Rangers "need less Generic magical utility and elemental-themed abilities"? I mean, are rangers too dumb to encounter ice and fire and whatnot in the world and know what to do with them? There's nothing wrong with 2 classes sharing similar abilities, druids and rangers make great pullers by the way, much better than monks in most situations (and that's ok!) unless you need dead on-balls accuracy for splitting a camp.

It's just weird that every single class is getting adjusted in a fairly heavy handed way. It really sounds like the devs themselves are simply bored of all the classes are going to roll the dice and hope it turns out well. I'm not saying they're wrong per se, but all of the classes need adjustment? It reeks of amateur hour, a bit.

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That’s an interesting angle and I see what you mean to a degree. I didn’t read every little detail but tbh don’t feel like they are making major changes to Ench, Cleric, Bard, Necro, Druid at least which were some of the most popular EQ classes.

I 110% agree it feels like none of the devs probably played very much Vanguard there were some very great ideas in that shitty game engine that they just completely overlooked for this one sadly. I think that game could’ve actually been an EQ successor (lawl) if it hadn’t been built on some FPS engine that still doesn’t play well 20 years later

My favorite EQ class was Beastlord and it basically doesn’t exist anymore in MnM I’ll miss having “melee dps class with Shaman utility” but maybe I’ll find something else I like.

Kithani said:

My favorite EQ class was Beastlord and it basically doesn’t exist anymore in MnM I’ll miss having “melee dps class with Shaman utility” but maybe I’ll find something else I like.

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Are you sure you don't want to make Beastlord your life's personality and rage quit instead?

Grim1 said:

Shawn also mentioned in the recent podcast possibly removing FD from Shadowknights. Why the fuck are they even calling it a shadowknight? It's a lie they are using to fool people to give them money. It's deceit. The class they are creating isn't a Shadowknight. It's a bait and switch so they can make their gay shit. So yes I'm sperging because they wasted my time with their lies.

I only came to this game late because when I asked about the SK here you all said it was almost exactly the same as EQ. And it was. So I was willing to overlook their garbage graphics and the other major deficiencies to play this game.

Now they have shown their true colors and I know what to expect from these devs.. nothing of consequence or quality, just more lies and incompetence. And the ugliest game around with the most generic class design ever. Ick.

I hope you all like the game when it is released. I truly do. But I don't trust Shawn or this group and will not get fooled by them again.

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I don't have a dog in this fight and really don't know anything about you, but this post makes you sound like you have a --

Big ass vagina. With meaty curtains.

Break said:

It's just weird that every single class is getting adjusted in a fairly heavy handed way.

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I have a feeling that it won't be nearly as dramatic.. I could be absolutely wrong, but I think the base of most, if not all the abilities are in the game already and it'll just be remixed to some degree for theme whether it's changing the percent damage, proc, or damage type.. or how something combos into another(INQ Magic Break + Purifying Blow = Purges, +Slam to the back = stun chance, which gives Purifying blow a chance for additonal strike). I'm trying to think of mechanics that are missing but can't think of anything atm.

The other part is probably removing a bulk of things on other classes that just feel bloat-y. I don't really understand the purpose of being an ENC and having minor individual stat buffs; I have them but they're obnoxious. The "scariest" part is the sorta loss of like general sow, but maybe met with more mana reg or group proximity movement buffs.. and a sorta example, I feel like Necro's will basically get a version of BST old Pet Swarm but for undead.. I also don't think SK will get sandblast from a crab, but who knows the actual plans. Them having pet with other pet classes is annoying.. the idea of me playing an SK with more damage abilities to make up for the dps loss from pets sounds way more interesting.