Monsters and Memories (Project_N) - Old School Indie MMO
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Quaid
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Watched a VOD recently and Shawn’s justification for every character not getting gate was that it just didn’t ‘feel right’. He’d sooner ‘take gate from everyone’ before giving it to everyone.
He pointed to opportunities to create value or ‘chase items’ from the gate ability, either through religion choice or quest items or player made economy or what have you.
I fundamentally disagree with this stance as I’ve detailed before. A player should have unhindered control over when they end their play session. They should have this ability from the moment of character creation with zero barrier.
This is not a thing they should gamify, and they’ll pay a significant subscriber price for doing so - subscribers who otherwise do fit their target player archetype.
I think this is a huge and unnecessary mistake.
He pointed to opportunities to create value or ‘chase items’ from the gate ability, either through religion choice or quest items or player made economy or what have you.
I fundamentally disagree with this stance as I’ve detailed before. A player should have unhindered control over when they end their play session. They should have this ability from the moment of character creation with zero barrier.
This is not a thing they should gamify, and they’ll pay a significant subscriber price for doing so - subscribers who otherwise do fit their target player archetype.
I think this is a huge and unnecessary mistake.
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Burns
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The public test has been up since Friday at 12pm CDT. Just need an account that you make on their webpage. It's ending a week from today, afaik.
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A large part feel it's kinda of pointless to play right now since the class changes aren't in.
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“It just doesn’t feel right” is basically their response to anything where they just copied EverQuest but don’t have much justification beyond that.
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Quaid
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He addresses this argument from critics in the VOD.
It’s actually because Ultima 3 did it which makes it better somehow.
In a world with subterranean Elves, Dragons, and magic spells you have infinite ways to justify a simple personal travel mechanic to a bind point. It not ‘feeling right’ is likely tied to his own hang-ups about DND derived fantasy worlds, rather than what will create a great gaming experience and translate into loyal players and an active world.
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fanaskin
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There's a gate potion, it's expensive now but you can have one
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Valorath
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If you've got 30 seconds without things beating on you, you have unhindered control over ending your gaming session. I'm not sure why you're hung up on hearthstones. Doesn't their existence greatly diminish the feel they're going for with the big open world?
Quaid
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Bullshit. You can’t end your gaming session deep in a dungeon without penalty on many classes. Hell, can you emergency camp out on a boat?
Unacceptable and it’s not negotiable.
fanaskin
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Quaid
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Bullshit. The danger should exist in the game world itself, not in worrying if i get suddenly called into work or if my kid falls off their bike.
fanaskin
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These are contradictory mutually exclusive statements that can't be reconciled, there can be no real dangers and hence no real accomplishments if they have to coddle your playtime.
If it's really bad just get a corpse summon later
The punishment is the point.
Quaid
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Ridiculous stance. Allowing players to end their gaming session on demand without penalty is not ‘coddling’ anything. It is basic recognition of the needs of the human behind the keys. There are plenty of avenues for a player to feel achievement without placing absurd expectations on the perfect predictable smoothness of their real life.
Even an ability that everyone gets that functions as a self evac on a long timer would suffice, if gate is too much to ask.
They’ll pay the price if they choose this path on this issue.
fanaskin
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you can just camp out? like what am I missing here. alt +f4 if you really have an emergancy, you can cr later or run out later if you have to. or get this if you know you have to drive your kid from soccer practice leave early.
here's another one /group Guys I have to go in 20 minutes can you help me get to entrance?, can the druid portal me out ect ect
Quaid
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I am specifically talking about emergencies.
I have specifically stated there should be no penalty, and a CR is a penalty.
fanaskin
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it cheapens the entire experience, take the hit and move on, or get the gate poiton and keep it on you, ect ect.
there's a penalty for you getting what you want except it's a penalty everyone else takes instead of you.