Monsters and Memories (Project_N) - Old School Indie MMO

moonarchia · 2026-06-01T13:30:27-0400

fanaskin said:
The punishment is the point.

The mating call of the failed MMO.

fanaskin · 2026-06-01T13:49:25-0400

moonarchia said:
The mating call of the failed MMO.

eq failed? it very specifically imprinted itself on everyone here because it was punishing.

moonarchia · 2026-06-01T13:54:03-0400

fanaskin said:
eq failed? it very specifically imprinted itself on everyone here because it was punishing.

Compared to its start? Absolutely. The only reason it is still holding on is because it did away with the punishment as gameplay mentality.

fanaskin · 2026-06-01T13:57:47-0400

moonarchia said:
Compared to its start? Absolutely. The only reason it is still holding on is because it did away with the punishment as gameplay mentality.

It's so trash because it did that and went away from group play. nobody groups in the grouping mmo because they nerfed it. also everyone complains modern mmo's suck because there's no community and everyone's a souless npc that doesn't care, why is there no community? because there's no interdependance because they nerfed everything. is there even a modern mmo that's decent? i can't even think of 1.

like what is even the gold standard now?

moonarchia · 2026-06-01T14:05:15-0400

fanaskin said:
It's so trash because it did that and went away from group play. nobody groups in the grouping mmo because they nerfed it. also everyone complains modern mmo's suck because there's no community and everyone's a souless npc that doesn't care, why is there no community? because there's no interdependance because they nerfed everything. is there even a modern mmo that's decent? i can't even think of 1.

like what is even the gold standard now?

You and the dozens like you are why the MMO graveyard is so full. There is a market for games that aim to be fun and accessible first and foremost. The masochist crowd is way too small to be profitable.

fanaskin · 2026-06-01T14:09:45-0400

moonarchia said:
You and the dozens like you are why the MMO graveyard is so full. There is a market for games that aim to be fun and accessible first and foremost. The masochist crowd is way too small to be profitable.

if you think MnM is masochistic LOL, it's way easy to level, when i hear these cries i literally laugh you can get your exp back in less than an hour of play even at like 40+

the reasonable conclusion i have is you just don't know what the fuck you're talking about. also you didn't answer my question what is the gold standard mmo now because there is none, they're all too easy solofests with some grouping where nobody talks to each other and no relationships are formed.

it's not hard to solo, you can level really fast if you just group and makeup the xp in <1 hour, you can literally level 1-60 in the starting city if you want without leaving or being in danger. over 90% of the places to level are outdoors so there's no CR problems besides having to run back even then you can bind close so it's like <5 minutes.

there's like 2 real dungeons in the whole game atm. One you can IVU past everything with a level 1 spell and get any corpse anywhere in the dungeon from buffs you can get at the bank if you want. People will gladly help you for free, the other is like a 20's dungeon thats big but there's plenty of ways to get around that.

honestly you guys just haven't played the game and are bitching about theoreticals that don't really exist.

moonarchia · 2026-06-01T14:23:50-0400

fanaskin said:
if you think MnM is masochistic LOL, it's way easy to level, when i hear these cries i literally laugh you can get your exp back in less than an hour of play even at like 40+

the reasonable conclusion i have is you just don't know what the fuck you're talking about. also you didn't answer my question what is the gold standard mmo now because there is none, they're all too easy solofests with some grouping where nobody talks to each other and no relationships are formed.

it's not hard to solo, you can level really fast if you just group and makeup the xp in <1 hour, you can literally level 1-60 in the starting city if you want without leaving or being in danger. over 90% of the places to level are outdoors so there's no CR problems besides having to run back even then you can bind close so it's like <5 minutes.

honestly you guys just haven't played the game and are bitching about theoreticals that don't really exist.

I haven't played it, and am not claiming to have done so. I hope they can turn it around into something fun that has the ability to last. But the punishment as gameplay mentality you are talking about, along with their refusal to implement instancing or some other mechanism to eliminate player friction/soft pvp do not paint a picture that they will succeed. Businesses cost money to operate. This type of game isn't going generate that kind of money because the market is way too small. This has been tried many times before.

Gold standard right now is WOW or FFXIV. Love them or hate them, they are at the pinnacle of the market. A key element of their enduring popularity is their devotion to making every facet of the game accessible to everyone.

fanaskin · 2026-06-01T14:26:54-0400

moonarchia said:
I haven't played it, and am not claiming to have done so.

end of discussion

Kuro · 2026-06-01T14:27:50-0400

I always liked being able to end my EQ session whenever I wanted as a Rogue thanks to super hide/sneak.

Only problem as a rogue was that you needed to find a full group of other people to let you start your session.

moonarchia · 2026-06-01T14:30:36-0400

fanaskin said:
end of discussion

Probably end of game too. Unfortunately. If there's folks playing it and they have resolved the issues a few months after launch I will look forward to giving it a try.

Kithani · 2026-06-01T14:40:06-0400

fanaskin said:
if you think MnM is masochistic LOL, it's way easy to level, when i hear these cries i literally laugh you can get your exp back in less than an hour of play even at like 40+

the reasonable conclusion i have is you just don't know what the fuck you're talking about. also you didn't answer my question what is the gold standard mmo now because there is none, they're all too easy solofests with some grouping where nobody talks to each other and no relationships are formed.

it's not hard to solo, you can level really fast if you just group and makeup the xp in <1 hour, you can literally level 1-60 in the starting city if you want without leaving or being in danger. over 90% of the places to level are outdoors so there's no CR problems besides having to run back even then you can bind close so it's like <5 minutes.

there's like 2 real dungeons in the whole game atm. One you can IVU past everything with a level 1 spell and get any corpse anywhere in the dungeon from buffs you can get at the bank if you want. People will gladly help you for free, the other is like a 20's dungeon thats big but there's plenty of ways to get around that.

honestly you guys just haven't played the game and are bitching about theoreticals that don't really exist.

I’ve played closed beta for a month or so, the game just really doesn’t respect your time
IMO. I probably won’t play EA except to fiddle around a bit whenever Trolls are released since that’s America’s Race (tm).

I don’t dislike the game, it’s fine for what it is, but I’m not convinced a true “market” for this niche really exists in 2026 outside of a few hundred no-lifer types. It just does not respect your time at all in a world where most of the players that hit up EQ back in the day now have families and jobs/houses and shit to do.

If I were in College I’d probably have loved this game. But I’m not, and neither is anyone in this thread, and neither is anyone picking this type of game up. I’m not gonna be butthurt if it succeeds though and I think we all know the fanboys are gonna redefine “success” to mean whatever actually happens with this game.

edit: to be clear I am not calling for them to carebear it up or “WoWify” it, just giving my experience with the game as is

fanaskin · 2026-06-01T15:35:53-0400

Kithani said:
I’ve played closed beta for a month or so, the game just really doesn’t respect your time
IMO. I probably won’t play EA except to fiddle around a bit whenever Trolls are released since that’s America’s Race (tm).

I don’t dislike the game, it’s fine for what it is, but I’m not convinced a true “market” for this niche really exists in 2026 outside of a few hundred no-lifer types. It just does not respect your time at all in a world where most of the players that hit up EQ back in the day now have families and jobs/houses and shit to do.

If I were in College I’d probably have loved this game. But I’m not, and neither is anyone in this thread, and neither is anyone picking this type of game up. I’m not gonna be butthurt if it succeeds though and I think we all know the fanboys are gonna redefine “success” to mean whatever actually happens with this game.

edit: to be clear I am not calling for them to carebear it up or “WoWify” it, just giving my experience with the game as is

So it's exactly as advertised and intended?

No it's not going to insta teleport you around the world, instance everything, have you que up and teleport you, it's not going to give you npcs to replace people, there is xp loss and group interdependance. the loot is not personal it's shared.

I just don't get what you fundamentally want? did you play eq at all? you can play this game part time and be fine, I meet plenty of people who have famalies and jobs in this game, I honestly think this is a crutch based on envry because there's going to be people who play more than you.

Kithani · 2026-06-01T15:49:03-0400

fanaskin said:
So it's exactly as advertised and intended?

No it's not going to insta teleport you around the world, instance everything, have you que up and teleport you, it's not going to give you npcs to replace people, there is xp loss and group interdependance. the loot is not personal it's shared.

I just don't get what you fundamentally want? did you play eq at all? you can play this game part time and be fine, I meet plenty of people who have famalies and jobs in this game, I honestly think this is a crutch based on envry because there's going to be people who play more than you.

Wait what is EQ? I thought this was a Vanguard forum…

In all seriousness here is a good example:

So you say it’s shared loot not personal loot. I have no problem with this at all. Except why in 2026 do I need to manually figure out who gets what or trade at the end of the day etc. and hope my Goblin homie isn’t a loot whore who spam clicks on every corpse. It honestly makes me less likely to want to duo up with a random that shows up to the camp I’m at.

Have YOU played EQ in the past 10 years? Because their ADVLoot system is far superior today than what they launched with in 1999, but we can’t have that in MnM because “it doesn’t feel right”

Another good example is making it so I have to find/build a campfire every 20m to not get a -25% exp penalty. Oh all the mobs I just killed already built one? Nah can’t use that one, it’s not “restful” but then if I drop my own in the exact same spot it works just fine. Unless it’s raining. Sweet gameplay loop there. I’d be ok if campfires offered like +hp/mana regen or something but an “exp bonus” just makes it feel like a penalty to play without one

GuardianX · 2026-06-01T16:06:18-0400

fanaskin said:
So it's exactly as advertised and intended? no it's not going to insta teleport you around the world, instance everything, have you que up and teleport you, there is xp loss and group interdependance.

I just don't get what you fundamentally want? did you play eq at all?

Personally, as a person who played to 55 in the alpha, 52ish / 50ish in the beta...and, within EQ, raided / poop-socked.

MNM is just...boring? (even though I'm still playing it and likely will play it...)

It's not a challenging experience, it's a tedious experience.

Like trying to pick up spilled rice with chopsticks instead of a broom / vacuum.

Sure EQ wasn't challenging either, but man I don't recall it being this bad. Legit we are falling asleep in "Hard" camps. The only thing that makes them bearable is hearing drama in OOC and when people come in from other guilds and drop their drama for us.

Had a good laugh the other day when Rampage, Shade and Cohesion (Rampage Junior) all contested Nyxx and Bru (Head Boy for Rampage Junior) decided that he wanted to train the Rampage raid that was killing Nyxx so that his daddy (Aires) could get the kill on Nyxx. Heard about that drama for several days from all 3 guilds perspective.

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I hope Fallen Watch is going to be this uber late game dungeon that will add challenge and move away from tedium but the more I hear about it, the more it just kinda sounds like it's the same same of current dungeon stuff.

Gravel · 2026-06-01T16:27:10-0400

Kithani said:
Wait what is EQ? I thought this was a Vanguard forum…

In all seriousness here is a good example:

So you say it’s shared loot not personal loot. I have no problem with this at all. Except why in 2026 do I need to manually figure out who gets what or trade at the end of the day etc. and hope my Goblin homie isn’t a loot whore who spam clicks on every corpse. It honestly makes me less likely to want to duo up with a random that shows up to the camp I’m at.

Have YOU played EQ in the past 10 years? Because their ADVLoot system is far superior today than what they launched with in 1999, but we can’t have that in MnM because “it doesn’t feel right”

Another good example is making it so I have to find/build a campfire every 20m to not get a -25% exp penalty. Oh all the mobs I just killed already built one? Nah can’t use that one, it’s not “restful” but then if I drop my own in the exact same spot it works just fine. Unless it’s raining. Sweet gameplay loop there. I’d be ok if campfires offered like +hp/mana regen or something but an “exp bonus” just makes it feel like a penalty to play without one

Not to be that guy, but that's literally this entire thread going back years. The game is leaning into gameplay mechanics that literally every game, including the one they're basing this on, decided were fucking retarded. At this point we just wait to see if all the people claiming they actually want this follow through or if they've been trolling the devs this entire time.

My guess is the latter. Yeah, there's going to be about a thousand or two people who play it for a handful of months, but you can't convince me this game lasts a year.

Kaines · 2026-06-01T16:31:18-0400

fanaskin said:
everyone complains

Categorically false statement. WoW and FFXI are still the most played MMOs in the industry and everyone is most certainly NOT complaining about the community.

Kithani · 2026-06-01T16:39:08-0400

Gravel said:
Not to be that guy, but that's literally this entire thread going back years. The game is leaning into gameplay mechanics that literally every game, including the one they're basing this on, decided were fucking retarded. At this point we just wait to see if all the people claiming they actually want this follow through or if they've been trolling the devs this entire time.

My guess is the latter. Yeah, there's going to be about a thousand or two people who play it for a handful of months, but you can't convince me this game lasts a year.

They have said they only need 500 subscribers to cover their overhead. I could see it “lasting” a bit. I mean I played Vanguard off and on for a year or two when it consistently had like 75 people online lol

uniqueuser · 2026-06-01T16:58:21-0400

Gravel said:
My guess is the latter. Yeah, there's going to be about a thousand or two people who play it for a handful of months, but you can't convince me this game lasts a year.

Can you name even a couple noteworthy MMOs that shuttered in under 12 months? I can’t think of any. These things can run on fumes for years, especially the smaller productions.

fanaskin · 2026-06-01T17:04:10-0400

Kithani said:
So you say it’s shared loot not personal loot. I have no problem with this at all. Except why in 2026 do I need to manually figure out who gets what or trade at the end of the day etc. and hope my Goblin homie isn’t a loot whore who spam clicks on every corpse. It honestly makes me less likely to want to duo up with a random that shows up to the camp I’m at.

Have YOU played EQ in the past 10 years? Because their ADVLoot system is far superior today than what they launched with in 1999, but we can’t have that in MnM because “it doesn’t feel right”

have they said anything about that? i just assume that's a qol thing they'll do later. fortunatly there's been no ninja'ing because for one thing people actually care about their reputation so they can get groups.

fanaskin · 2026-06-01T17:06:12-0400

Gravel said:
My guess is the latter. Yeah, there's going to be about a thousand or two people who play it for a handful of months, but you can't convince me this game lasts a year.

people have played the alpha/beta for longer than that lol, this assessment is WAY off min 2 years.

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