fanaskin
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bro i'm talking to people who've actually done it instead of using cybermetrics or whatever
Monsters and Memories (Project_N) - Old School Indie MMO
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bro i'm talking to people who've actually done it instead of using cybermetrics or whatever
fanaskin
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there's no autologoff feature, if you fall asleep logged in it won't log you off, bet a lot of that is phantom hours. which has happened on both my chars more than once.
gauze
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The most painful part, after about 30+.. finding groups takes way too long, not really a massive incentive to push 60.. I don't have any skin on how long it takes to get 60 but I can comfortably say there aren't a ton of groups running the higher you get.. i'm sure if you get the tank/heals covered, you'll be sailing.
I can't use my hours as a metric by any means but funny enough to share. A ton of AFK hours, playing other games while waiting for potentional group invites to only deny them because i'm playing something else.
I can't use my hours as a metric by any means but funny enough to share. A ton of AFK hours, playing other games while waiting for potentional group invites to only deny them because i'm playing something else.
fanaskin
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Here's another thing, if you actually know what you're doing you can fight stuff way above your level, went from 17.4-20, which includes hell level 19 that takes double xp in 4 hours tonight tanking bugs that are level 24, and everyone was below 24. if you fight stuff like 3 levels below you, it would take way way longer to level. a lot of it is knowledge and not splitting exp 6 ways on easy garbage that's below you. you could duo or trio stuff that's 2-3 levels below you'd level faster than doing it with a full group.
Kirun
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End of discussion.
It isn't just Gen Z who has ADHD these days. Quit rotting your brain with social media and you might be able to pay attention to things longer than 30 secs.
I actually agree with a lot of what you're saying here, which is probably why I think we're closer in position than it might seem. And secondly, I always appreciate a good faith reply so I will respond in kind..
I completely understand the appeal of logistics, travel, preparation, supply lines, and having a persistent presence in the world. The wagon example, player outposts, stables, hauling resources back to town, and even your Valheim comparison all resonate with me. Those things can absolutely create immersion and make a world feel larger and more meaningful.
Where I think we differ is that I don't view a personal recall mechanic as being in direct opposition to those systems. To me, there are really two separate conversations happening.
The first is world traversal. How people move around the world, transport goods/inventory, establish trade routes/auctioning, prepare expeditions/"adventures", and interact with geography. I agree that those systems become less interesting if players can instantly bypass them at all times. The second is something much more fundamental - a player's ability to safely disengage from the game when real life demands it. That's where my concern comes from.
When I talk about gate or whatever form it takes, I'm not primarily thinking about moving goods, bypassing travel, or trivializing exploration. I'm thinking about the human sitting behind the keyboard. The examples you gave about finding a quiet corner and logging out are perfectly valid when life is predictable. But that's also kind of the point. Emergencies aren't predictable. Kids get hurt. Work calls unexpectedly. Family situations happen. Internet dies. Life happens. And when those things occur, I don't think the game gains anything meaningful by punishing the player for circumstances completely outside their control.
That's why I keep separating "world friction" from "life friction." I like world friction. I like dangerous zones. I like "meaningful travel" (as much as it's possible in an MMO). I like preparation. I don't mind economies built around geography. I enjoy having reasons to care about where I am in the "world". What I don't particularly enjoy is mechanics that effectively say, "You should have planned your real life emergency better."
To your point about the druid evacuation story? I completely agree. I have a very similar story with a friend of mine who was playing a Wizard. That's an awesome moment. I wouldn't want to remove experiences like that. Group utility, class identity, emergency saves, and unique abilities are all valuable. But I don't think those experiences require players to lack a basic failsafe for real-world interruptions. The druid evac was cool because it solved an in-game problem. The group was in danger. Decisions mattered. Players worked together to survive. That's very different from somebody suddenly needing to leave because their kid fell off a bike. One creates gameplay. The other creates frustration that many players will quit over.
And I think that's where my philosophy differs from a lot of "old-school" MMO design. I generally want consequences to emerge from choices players make inside the game world, not from circumstances occurring outside of it. So while I absolutely understand the appeal of preserving travel, logistics, and preparation, I still think there's room for a universal "I need to leave now" solution that protects the player without dismantling all the systems you described (give it a long cooldown for all I care - that way casters still preserve an "advantage" by being able to cast it whenever they want and martial classes are subject to a cooldown).
Those two goals don't feel mutually exclusive to me.
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uniqueuser
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More like concern trolling. Just don’t play online videogames if you’re so worried the demands of your real life will inconvenience your virtual one. At least have the honesty to lobby for changes on the basis of internal consistency instead of external contingencies like the house catching fire or little Timmy falling down a well lol.
Btw, this game’s potential is already limited by definition of its concept (to say nothing of its “quality”), so its margin of success or failure isn’t gonna be significantly impacted by how many modern player retention mechanics it adopts.
Quaid
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TJT
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For real. Just having Scrolls of Town Portal or whatever be reasonably available for melee is completely fine. Literally anything other than melee having to bind in the furthest away locations and casters getting a free shortcut for their own convenience. You are punishing a player for class choice in terms of basic game mechanics.
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Kaines
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I DEFINITELY want to pay a monthly sub to NOT play a game....
Serious talk, is six months giving this game too much credit??
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Woefully Inept
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With the play time discussion I was curious how long it took for me to get to 27 on my Cleric. This includes double digit hours just sitting around chatting/doing not much of anything as well.
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GuardianX
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Or a world boss as you are poopsocking it. Trip up some idiots with a 2 hit wombo, pull a mob into the area and keep it CC'd and have a pet named the same as a boss. Kill tabbing and kill /target NAME mouth breathers.
GuardianX
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Playing casually, forgetting to log off because this game doesn't log you off if afk for a time period...
Made it to 49
on my bard, level 52 that I stagnated when they finally pushed charm changes.
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Realistically you can cut these played down by logging out but I would say about 1/4 to 1/3 of that time is spent doing nothing at all and possibly up to 1/2 the time if you count the time running from camp to camp.
Made it to 49
on my bard, level 52 that I stagnated when they finally pushed charm changes.
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Realistically you can cut these played down by logging out but I would say about 1/4 to 1/3 of that time is spent doing nothing at all and possibly up to 1/2 the time if you count the time running from camp to camp.
Kithani
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“Playing casually”
then posts a screenshot that shows you have been logged in literally an average 2.7 hours (edit: second screenshot is 3.7!) per day every single day for over 3 months… oh but you can really shave 1/3 or 1/4 off lmao
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GuardianX
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I mean I said it in the fuckin post..
No Afk timer is a huge chunk of that time, I'm being conservative when I say 1/4th to 1/3rd of that time should be cut due to AFK.
I wanna say when I did my 45 push (44 now) on my bard I clocked it at about an hour a gold bubble in the worst hell level.
Quaid
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Guys the game is about slowing you dowwwwwwwn so you have social interactions just chilling in town buying and selling gear and LFG .... but also don't count that towards how long it takes you to level and if you don't count travel time either or your time tradeskilling it's really just half that total.... and also leveling was super fast on my bard when charm was super broken and then got nerfed into Narnia and ya 6 hours a day for 90 days it pretty casual.
Holy shit.
Holy shit.
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