Monsters and Memories (Project_N) - Old School Indie MMO

GuardianX said:

I agree and I think this is gunna be a wild ride for the team.

They said they only need a small amount of subs but then the number i heard thrown out is 15,000? I don't think it's a wildly out of reach number but...that depends on a consumer that stops playing and keeps paying at this rate.

I know I don't do that.

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To your point though; and I dunno if this is weird logic or a side point but I think it points to the concept of "perception" like you are getting at.

So many class changes and, really, game changes are gunna be happening for AT LEAST 2 more years because their EA is really just "beta". I made a note on their discord that "you need to really hammer home this is ALPHA not beta" because people have different sets of expectations for an "Alpha" vs a "beta" and people expect that since this is a "beta" that EA will be a "release". Any instability NOW points to a product that isn't ready for "release" but the reality is that instability NOW should be expected since it's an alpha.

I saw ONE dev say "you are basically playing on development servers"...that's not enough, that fact needs to be hammered home because people aren't testing, they are "previewing" or "playing a game for free" and the perception is that "this is the last push before release" and people are treating it that way with the raid "Schedules", the camp disputes, the information hoarding...ect.

I've watched several guilds now hoard bugs for later use (which is why I find it funny some of yall championing some guilds and being like "the other guy cheated!" when all ya be cheatin..).

People treatin this test cycle as the real thing with their expectations set as such.

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Gravel said:

Good post. It really gets at what I was saying last year about how it's a bit audacious of them to charge a monthly fee for early access. Because in reality they're charging you a monthly fee to beta test for them.

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GuardianX said:

I mean, I get what you are saying and, to a degree I agree.

I don't really have a problem with people paying to "Test" things but there needs to be a clear understanding of the state of the product and the expectations for what you are spending.

ATM the product is set in 3-ish phases:

ALPHA (Now)
BETA (EA)
Release (1.0)

But the implication of the states is:

BETA (Now)
BETA-ier BETA (EA)
Release (1.0)

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If you look at the ARR (FFXIV) re-release it showed you that some brands have an amazing amount of loyalty. SE took a huge hit for that test of loyalty though. Decades of brand recognition was on the line as well as millions of dollars. MNM has no brand loyalty, people in their closed alpha were exploiting and trying to keep those exploits secret.

To even remotely slice a pittance of that 20m disenfranchised MMO players from the market you gunna have to pull way better numbers than their socials pull.

https://socialblade.com/youtube/handle/monstersmemories

https://socialblade.com/youtube/channel/UC1deWFxpVnvJK2l5JKpR3Hw

Also, a majority of that 20 million will never touch this game, they are the MMO-Mobilers. Best to assume their potential market is a fraction of the EQ / OSRS scene and a sliver of a fraction of the general MMO scene.

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moonarchia said:

Yup. Did that for Pantheon to try it out because it was a one time charge. No ragerts, as it was fun for a few months, but that game will never see the light of day.

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Pasteton said:

The bug hoarding is a real thing , but there’s other issues as well. I was regularly blowing shit up to the devs but what’s nuts is they still don’t change it. Stuff like enchant ally being stackable on a single target/tank, I’ve notified the devs dozens of times , they either don’t care or don’t have a good process for communicating things / getting things changed.

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