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Siliconemelons said:
I feel bad but not bad... chilling in the orc caves... at a T section to a dead end... and this bard just comes though and takes everything, passing me on the way in and out...

Then abandons the pull and trains everything on me... so I petition.

Bards cant just do whatever they want "because swarm kiting is how we solo" - as a SK if I fear kite ish and fear stuff into other stuff and it trains someone, I am on the hook for that not controlling my mobs etc.
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I'm outta the loop on this, got a bard to 53 in the beta and haven't touched it in EA.

Napkin math tells me that anything more than 4 mobs and you aren't KILLING them more-so than holding them in reserve so you can kill them later and not have to pull again (AKA zone disruption).

Charm doesn't work in the sense that the horde will attack your charm, the only purpose in my mind is to dot things up and cycle through 3-4 mobs as you dot them up while keeping your movespeed up too.
 
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I'm outta the loop on this, got a bard to 53 in the beta and haven't touched it in EA.

Napkin math tells me that anything more than 4 mobs and you aren't KILLING them more-so than holding them in reserve so you can kill them later and not have to pull again (AKA zone disruption).

Charm doesn't work in the sense that the horde will attack your charm, the only purpose in my mind is to dot things up and cycle through 3-4 mobs as you dot them up while keeping your movespeed up too.
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Yeah I do not know what they are doing other than being really big pains in the butt, while being extremely entitled and arrogant bout it. I have exp it, but also seen it in ooc etc. where essentially "if I can pull it, and eventually kill it, that ALL is my camp" - and not just "I will agro it all as it repops" but "you cannot have any of the repops, they are mine, the entire area is mine, DONT BE in the area, bc well then if u get trained thats your fault" etc etc

Doing swarm kiting where there is ANYONE else around, should increase the risk exponentially, due to the interaction with others - like in my case, they are swarming...for whatever reason in a CAVE SYSTEM... and I am sitting in the path leading to a T intersection dead end... once they saw me they should have had to stop, and turn around (yes, INTO their train) rather than run their mobs over me in, then out... this is a RISK you take doing that methodology.

There is innate shared social agro while fighting mobs - my pet can be off tanking (yeah a lt blue or green lol) and I will be hitting the one I am tanking, if I use reave and stuff, the one on my pet can turn to me because of the damage I am doing to the one I am on etc. - doing so as a bard train washes over you- can pull off mobs that you are not "directly interacting with" etc. thus, the bard is not controlling his mobs etc.

But to "them" the bards, this is 100% your fault, you should not be there, you trained yourself, YOU disrupted their pull, you were "Warned" by even just seeing a bard, you should just up and run away because this land is all theirs now!

Perhaps this is really just bad community luck on my side in only being around apparently the "bad" ones... there was one bard LFG in BTB when I was there and i was like "I thought bards just swarmed" - that was it...I didn't infer anything and he said "I guess I am not an asshole bard" lol even they know...
 
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Yeah I do not know what they are doing other than being really big pains in the butt, while being extremely entitled and arrogant bout it. I have exp it, but also seen it in ooc etc. where essentially "if I can pull it, and eventually kill it, that ALL is my camp" - and not just "I will agro it all as it repops" but "you cannot have any of the repops, they are mine, the entire area is mine, DONT BE in the area, bc well then if u get trained thats your fault" etc etc

Doing swarm kiting where there is ANYONE else around, should increase the risk exponentially, due to the interaction with others - like in my case, they are swarming...for whatever reason in a CAVE SYSTEM... and I am sitting in the path leading to a T intersection dead end... once they saw me they should have had to stop, and turn around (yes, INTO their train) rather than run their mobs over me in, then out... this is a RISK you take doing that methodology.

There is innate shared social agro while fighting mobs - my pet can be off tanking (yeah a lt blue or green lol) and I will be hitting the one I am tanking, if I use reave and stuff, the one on my pet can turn to me because of the damage I am doing to the one I am on etc. - doing so as a bard train washes over you- can pull off mobs that you are not "directly interacting with" etc. thus, the bard is not controlling his mobs etc.

But to "them" the bards, this is 100% your fault, you should not be there, you trained yourself, YOU disrupted their pull, you were "Warned" by even just seeing a bard, you should just up and run away because this land is all theirs now!

Perhaps this is really just bad community luck on my side in only being around apparently the "bad" ones... there was one bard LFG in BTB when I was there and i was like "I thought bards just swarmed" - that was it...I didn't infer anything and he said "I guess I am not an asshole bard" lol even they know...
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I've had bad luck with people just thinking I'm not even a real person or something because I'm holding a camp solo. I thought maybe it would be a low level syndrome, aka people don't really know social etiquette but it's continued still into the upper 30s.

Had people just setup camp right next to me, sometimes literally right on me, and start pulling my mobs. I haven't petitioned yet, I simply just start pulling like crazy to let them know yeah you won't get shit here bucko. A few times I just let people in ooc know they're pieces of shit
 
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I decided to be “that guy” sorry…

I got petitioned 3 times in EA - each time it was because the petitioning party didnt understand “the rules” and each time the GM was like “sorry…ill talk to them”

So, I figure, education by way of GM is better than me saying in tells or ooc and sperging out… that is reserved for here! (Sorry)
 
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Siliconemelons said:
Yeah I do not know what they are doing other than being really big pains in the butt, while being extremely entitled and arrogant bout it. I have exp it, but also seen it in ooc etc. where essentially "if I can pull it, and eventually kill it, that ALL is my camp" - and not just "I will agro it all as it repops" but "you cannot have any of the repops, they are mine, the entire area is mine, DONT BE in the area, bc well then if u get trained thats your fault" etc etc

Doing swarm kiting where there is ANYONE else around, should increase the risk exponentially, due to the interaction with others - like in my case, they are swarming...for whatever reason in a CAVE SYSTEM... and I am sitting in the path leading to a T intersection dead end... once they saw me they should have had to stop, and turn around (yes, INTO their train) rather than run their mobs over me in, then out... this is a RISK you take doing that methodology.

There is innate shared social agro while fighting mobs - my pet can be off tanking (yeah a lt blue or green lol) and I will be hitting the one I am tanking, if I use reave and stuff, the one on my pet can turn to me because of the damage I am doing to the one I am on etc. - doing so as a bard train washes over you- can pull off mobs that you are not "directly interacting with" etc. thus, the bard is not controlling his mobs etc.

But to "them" the bards, this is 100% your fault, you should not be there, you trained yourself, YOU disrupted their pull, you were "Warned" by even just seeing a bard, you should just up and run away because this land is all theirs now!

Perhaps this is really just bad community luck on my side in only being around apparently the "bad" ones... there was one bard LFG in BTB when I was there and i was like "I thought bards just swarmed" - that was it...I didn't infer anything and he said "I guess I am not an asshole bard" lol even they know...
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Where you in BB? If so they were likely exploiting, there is a ramp in there that npcs can't path to they will go all the way around a bard could easily manage the swarm just moving back and forth across that ramp
 
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Where you in BB? If so they were likely exploiting, there is a ramp in there that npcs can't path to they will go all the way around a bard could easily manage the swarm just moving back and forth across that ramp
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Why swarm though, is it just as I thought, mob control?

You can't AE damage like you could in EQ.

Reverse kiting works one time really and only in a 1:1, all the other mobs will ignore it after the 1st break really.
 
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Siliconemelons said:
I decided to be “that guy” sorry…

I got petitioned 3 times in EA - each time it was because the petitioning party didnt understand “the rules” and each time the GM was like “sorry…ill talk to them”

So, I figure, education by way of GM is better than me saying in tells or ooc and sperging out… that is reserved for here! (Sorry)
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Hand in your gun and badge to one of the guild officers and hit the road!!

Just kidding really. I have petitioned once because a dude feign deathed on me twice and killed me. First time I thought maybe it was an accident but second time right after I figured it was intentional
 
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Blazin said:
Where you in BB? If so they were likely exploiting, there is a ramp in there that npcs can't path to they will go all the way around a bard could easily manage the swarm just moving back and forth across that ramp
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No I was in the orc caves in KB.

I know where your talking about in BTB, surprised they haven’t fixed it…annoying for my pet to always run around the entire darn zone because of that
 
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Where you in BB? If so they were likely exploiting, there is a ramp in there that npcs can't path to they will go all the way around a bard could easily manage the swarm just moving back and forth across that ramp
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Pathing exploits?!
Sounds like Rampage mischief to me!

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Well my quest for pants and gloves from Rarthan Wartide…is now over.

Thanks to a driver crash at a very bad time I had a death, but awesome guild (and forum*) bro … got me my body and gave me some super leet pants (and rings) so my quest became quest for gloves lol.

Started at 31, am now 33 and the quest is over, pants (pants) and gloves acquired. At the end I was able to learn how to do a good FD pull- and was pulling the named out from the room solo, takes some doing, but it works haha.

Thanks to all for all the help!

I am thinking my next adventure will be to the Caves of Irem... most likely should provide a good solo exp place to get through the 30s , at least lower 30's... will see about targeting some named for upgrade as I study the map.

Master noodle, where would be a good place to setup shop for a SK at 33, fear kiting is nice if there is open room- I like to be able to face tank, and fear kite- so I can /lazy/ fear kite and that is fear kite, but if I kinda space out I can just tank it and not get plastered.

I look forward to breaking into 40s, seems the game opens up a lot then

*I always forget names, sorry lol

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Siliconemelons said:
Well my quest for pants and gloves from Rarthan Wartide…is now over.

Thanks to a driver crash at a very bad time I had a death, but awesome guild (and forum*) bro … got me my body and gave me some super leet pants (and rings) so my quest became quest for gloves lol.

Started at 31, am now 33 and the quest is over, pants (pants) and gloves acquired. At the end I was able to learn how to do a good FD pull- and was pulling the named out from the room solo, takes some doing, but it works haha.

Thanks to all for all the help!

I am thinking my next adventure will be to the Caves of Irem... most likely should provide a good solo exp place to get through the 30s , at least lower 30's... will see about targeting some named for upgrade as I study the map.

Master noodle, where would be a good place to setup shop for a SK at 33, fear kiting is nice if there is open room- I like to be able to face tank, and fear kite- so I can /lazy/ fear kite and that is fear kite, but if I kinda space out I can just tank it and not get plastered.

I look forward to breaking into 40s, seems the game opens up a lot then

*I always forget names, sorry lol

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I suggest these areas. The pyramids have wisps and undead around them that are real easy. Right outside the gates of the maze at the very top of the ramp there are ghouls outside you can single pull really easy. All the ghouls are just melee sponges, so they're very easy. Since no one is here it's perfect to fear kite too

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Noodleface said:
I suggest these areas. The pyramids have wisps and undead around them that are real easy. Right outside the gates of the maze at the very top of the ramp there are ghouls outside you can single pull really easy. All the ghouls are just melee sponges, so they're very easy. Since no one is here it's perfect to fear kite too

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Thanks bro..

wait



WHAT MAP ARE YOU USING?!
 
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39 was the worst level lol, by far. That one felt intentionally punishing. Combo of being the first 1.75x level and the mobs being kind of in between good levels in the area.
 
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