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Arbitrary_sl said:

In a few years when Legacy finishes dying I hope they introduce another eternal format that is Modern plus all of the other sets that are post-Reserved list. That would be Modern + Mercadian Masques, Nemesis, Prophecy, Invasion, Planeshift, Apocalypse, Odyssey, Torment, Judgment, Onslaught, Legions, and Scourge.

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legacy isn't going to "finish dying" any time soon, thats just plain salt bs

its insanely popular in europe, my LGS has far more legacy players then any other format, and legacy prices aren't even remotely close to vintage, which still gets played

prices will continue rising, and if legacy doubles in price, it will still be popular and the cards will still be liquid

Arbitrary_sl said:

We'll check back in 2019 and see how things are going.

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why would legacy die due to prices on cards, when vintage prices are a lot higher, and that is still being played and those prices are still rising?

there really is 0 reason to believe that

even more so since cards like moat and cradle also appeal to EDH player, which p9 does not

I bought this list in december 2012, for 500?, when I picked up legacy again after a several year long break:

14 LANDS
4 Polluted Delta
2 Scalding Tarn
2 Bloodstained Mire /
2 Underground Sea
1 Badlands
1 Volcanic Island
1 Swamp
1 Island
CREATURES
37 INSTANTS and SORCERIES
4 Infernal Tutor
4 Gitaxian Probe
4 Dark Ritual
4 Cabal Therapy
3 Cabal Ritual
4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder
3 Burning Wish
2 Duress
1 Grim Tutor
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Inquisition of Kozilek
1 Past in Flames
1 Ad Nauseam
9 OTHER SPELLS
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
4 Lotus Petal
1 Chrome Mox

This list has went up 400% in price since then, I don't think legacy has crumbled yet.

We got room for another 400% np

Storm isn't going to be played without LEDs, legacy in general isn't playable without the key reserved list cards.

I'm pretty sure WOTC is extremely happy with this, after all, if a reserved list staple is big in price, a card nearly as good will be pricey also.

They can't reprint reserved list stuff since that would ruin the confidence people have in the secondary market, but they sure can print new cards with similar yet slightly inferior effects.

Tabernacle with an upkeep of 1? Tabernacle with an upkeep of milling the top 3 cards of your deck? Tabernacle with an upkeep of 1 life?

Plenty of possibilities to print stuff nearly as good as the originals, ensuring product gets sold and hype is generated.

I am willing to bet that within the next 5 years they will print flip-lands, aka a land that can be fetched as 2 types of basic, which can be played as either one type and remains that type for the rest of the game. In some situations they would be superior to duals, in general they'd be inferior .. but they'd sure as fuck make people buy a ton of sealed product, without significantly affecting the price of the original.

Looking atUR Pyromancer - diophan @ mtgtop8.comfor example, these decks have an average price of >10k$?

Format still gets played. They could make a card slightly better then monastery mentor to sell more sealed product, but they might as well print cards which are slightly inferior to the power cards, when aiming for sales both work, so should availability (not purely price, WOTC doesn't care if moats cost 1200$ each) ever become an issue, I am positive they have this plan ready to go.

Ronne_sl said:

That still doesn't work. Making "almost" reprints doesn't save the format, as it doesn't change the required base of cards have an extremely limited (and shrinking) base of cards. Tarbernacle-lite will always be inferior to just Tabernacle, so anyone wanting to play Lands even remotely seriously will need an original Tabernacle, which there are what, maybe 50 liquid copies of left? 100? How many will there be in 2 years, or 5, given natural attrition of already 25 year old cardboard?

It's unsustainable and will either die, see the reserve list die, or the entire scene will be completely overrun by counterfits to the point that no one will have any confidence left in any of it.

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Natural attrition of 600$ cards is really low man. My tabernacles look fine as heck

You say its unsustainable, I say vintage prices are 6x what legacy is, and that is still being played and collected. Why would anyone counterfeit tabernacles, I mean if any party could print perfect counterfeits, tabernacle is kind of a cheap card to go for, right?

So why would legacy die again? Because its not accessible to a wide audience? Neither are luxury cars, and those keep rising in price on the secondary market also.

The gap between poor - rich is growing globally, this is a trend which is perfect for eternal formats.

ps. I've considered starting a printing business to make counterfeit cards, however I am aware that there are people with a lot more resources and they still fail.

It might not be as easy as it seems, right.

Far easier to speculate on buy-outs