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NVidia GeForce RTX 50x0 cards - 70% performance increase, but AI > you
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Grim1
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I don't usually have issues, especially that bad. Never that bad in fact. Stick was probably going bad anyway and the update just pushed it along.
But the timing. Jesus it's criminal how much decent ram costs today.
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Big Phoenix
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I don't think you can anymore. Even disabling via registry will eventually forcefully upsate.
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spronk
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yeah one of the drives on my plex nas server started reporting errors, i did get an RMA from serverpartdeals where i bought it a year ago but i bought an extra one off ebay (mfg refurb) for almost $700. same exact drive cost me $280 a year ago. it fucking sucks how AI slop has let companies triple prices on everything.
not coincidentally a bunch of reports out this week that PC sales are down like 30%, console sales down 25%, etc. no shit sherlock, food has gone up 40-50% and electronics have gone up 100%.
the fucked up thing is its only gonna get worse cuz the jews convinced our idiot president to attack Iran, now diesel is up 150% and is the building block of all shipping worldwide. next year is gonna be catastrophic, but somehow stocks will still go up.
not coincidentally a bunch of reports out this week that PC sales are down like 30%, console sales down 25%, etc. no shit sherlock, food has gone up 40-50% and electronics have gone up 100%.
the fucked up thing is its only gonna get worse cuz the jews convinced our idiot president to attack Iran, now diesel is up 150% and is the building block of all shipping worldwide. next year is gonna be catastrophic, but somehow stocks will still go up.
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Hekotat
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I'm having the same problem lately but it'll eventually start up. I don't know wtf is going on, it's a brand new PC.
rhinohelix
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I mean, MS sucks and all that but "Windows Update" didn't kill your RAM; it just died while Windows was updating, unless you have something more directly indicative that Windows Update was causative. Otherwise its just French peasants killing cats.The Great Cat Massacre - Wikipedia It's the worst time for anything, HD or Memory related at least to fail. I have a stack of unfinished project upgrades and other BS on my workbench that I felt was a $500 sign of failure; now it seems it's a $2500 spare parts pile for the Long Winter of the Rampocalypse. Hopefully it won't last that long, at least in the way the Big 3 DRAM companies (now 4 or 5? with the two new Chinese manufacturers) are indicating.
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I've been doing 'hide for now' until it MAKES me do the update. Thanks for reaffirming that I am doing the right thing. really sorry about the hosed PC.
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rhinohelix
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Windows Update is not going to break your PC any more than any other usage, from a hardware perspective. No warranties expressed or implied about your Windows 11 install, however; Microsoft is going to Microsoft from time to time and everyone's install is different but it's voodoo/Cargo Cultism to think that installing SOFTWARE is going to kill your RAM.
Also, it goes without saying, very sorry about your hardware issue as well.
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Control
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Don't listen to the update apologists! You got an update that you didn't ask for, that you couldn't say no to, and it broke your shit! Feel free to hate Microsoft with all the fury that a new stick of ram is worth! And then reinstall Win10 (or linux).
"software can't break your hardware!" - Half of the posts in this thread in the last month are literally about software breaking hardware!
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Wombat
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It's the 24GB part that matters:
If you want a 32GB card for local AI, you now _have to_ buy the Enterprise-priced RTX Pro.
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rhinohelix
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You're looking in the wrong end of the telescope. Hardware fails, sadly but WINDOWS UPDATE in particular wasn't the cause of it; it doesn't put any more strain on RAM than anything else. USE of RAM, as in running electricity through it to process 1s and 0s eventually causes hardware to fail, so in that sense, "software" does indeed cause hardware to fail, as all hardware eventually does.
In particular, the power standard and the corresponding cables nVidia came up to run their power-hungry cards, that got rubber stamped because they are the 800lb gorilla of the industry, are terrible and prone to failure, pushing too much wattage over a single wire and burning out, and THAT kills their hardware. It's really hardware killing hardware. Is that what you mean? Otherwise I am not sure what "software" is killing hardware.
Maybe I missed it? Help a brother out.
Note: Fails in the sense it has a (seemingly much statistically significant) higher failure rate than previous 8x2 or 8x3 power cables. I will never own a (card powered by) a16-pin cable whatever, so I guess that locks me out of Club Green for all time, unless something SUPER compelling comes along and makes me get over my desire to not have my machine combust into molten slag. I already own an NZXT H1 I had to fix myself, so not eager to get back on the "could burst into flames at any time" bandwagon again.
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Control
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If your hardware does the job it's generally meant to do and doesn't catch fire, and then you run software that makes it pull 20% more power which DOES make it catch fire... well, apparently the hardware wasn't built for the job you were trying to make it do. Shitty hardware? maybe, but if you hadn't ran the software, your computer wouldn't be on fire. Read a thread somewhere yesterday about someone's RMA on their dead video card being denied because it was primarily used for inference which caused the memory to heat up more than the gpu, so the gpu's fans didn't stay active enough to keep the memory cool.
Is that in any way comparable to what a windows update does? I would fucking hope not, but clearly software can break hardware. You can't say no to updates, you can't see what they're doing, and they sure as fuck eat my computer when they're running. I know, I know, "show me on the doll where the updates touched you"... I've had more bricked machines from windows updates than from all other causes combined, so right here, they touched me right here in this stack of brokenass computers. /BelieveAllAngryWindowsUsers
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My 5080 has been running cool but I’ve hesitated to sell my 5070Ti because of the issues that people report.
Kirun
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I've literally never had a Windows update brick a piece of my computer's hardware across multiple machines on each version of the software - and I've used every version of the software (except ME and Vista) since Win 95.
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Control
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Ok, bricked was too big of a word. I wasn't trying to present personal evidence of updates breaking hardware, just of updates breaking your computer. I've never had it cause a problem that a format didn't fix. But I've also never had anything else force me to format to fix a problem. So hate still justified imo. (well, i guess a system drive going out technically required the format of its replacement... but then I also can't prove that it wasn't a windows update that killed it!)
rhinohelix
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As I said: Microsoft is going to Microsoft, and your Windows install isn't necessarily safe from Windows Update but it isn't doing anything to your RAM or any other hardware that any other software wouldn't do. Also, Microsoft itself recognizes this; that's what System Restore points are for, and generally, before it does any Windows Updates, Windows will typically create a System Restore Point so you can roll back before the Update. Microsoft has gotten better about this over the years but A) there's a long time before something becomes mandatory B) Let other people go first and be the guinea pigs. Microsoft typically fixes things or pulls things back when they see them breaking things, particularly in the OS space. Not because they love their customers; it saves them money in Customer Support calls.
A great place to look for issues is this website: Microsoft 365 – Service Status
It's the Status page for the Microsoft Tenant for Earlham University, and if something is going wrong with any Microsoft Service to which they subscribe (and it looks like they subscribe to them all) , they will post the latest status update here [Edit: by here, I mean to one's MS Service Tenant admin center; Earlham just has created a website that surfaces this for everyone, probably just intended for folks at the university but I found it and am now sharing with you.]
I found this when one of our suppliers (and much of the rest of the world) was having an issue with Exchange Online, while we weren't and if didn't have access to a MS Tenant Admin Center with an issue, you couldn't get timely updates. [Edit: They also post to Twitter/X for big issues, and for really global issues they have another dashboard] I'm trying to get my company to build a page like this, although I guarantee it won't be exposed to the world like this. Thank you very much, Earlham.edu. It's a great website.
One can always go Mac (my M6 Mac mini is awesome but has soldered-in RAM now, GLHF) or some flavor of Linux (I still need to spend time with Omarchy; the little bit I have dabbled with it seems cool). The key point is that using hardware will cause it fail. It always has and always will. Hardware fails, and it sucks. It sucks supremely now because we are in the middlle of another of these periodic hardware crises (was just GPUs with Crypto, now its everything with memory because of AI) and lingering M2 money supply inflation. I still remember 2017 when I bought my 1080Ti for $700 on launch day and no one batted an eye. What Sweet Summer children we were.
One might make the case for some hardware, like video cards/GPUs/some NVMEs, one might argue that some "software", really more the activity, pushes the hardware power/heat envelope and you see more failures in that circumstance: Gaming in the extreme, mining, LLM/AI, Compiling/processing video, etc. I personally wouldn't think of it as "software" but I would leave it the individual as to how they define that. Did the software kill that GPU or the fact it was mining for x years? I will leave this here.
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Technically correct - the best kind of correct ! A lot of hardware that has 'failed' continues appearing to work until you next restart, so I'd agree windows update is probably a trigger rather than a cause.
Furmark was pretty notorious for that from memory. You can always argue chicken and egg about inadequate cooling solutions vs using software that's deliberately redlining your hardware, but then you are more getting in philosophy like whether traffic causes bridges to fail.