Overwatch

hell for those professionals it should be worse cause its basically a job for them, an easy one probably, to boost people.

I like playing Ashe, my aim sucks, but even I get to line a few shots once in a while

Insane game with Seagull, Harbleu, Redhell,Taimou, and Emong playing together.

I'm getting the hang on this Ashe thing.

Big Phoenix said:

All MOBAs are toxic. Your success is dependant on your teammates but there is no mechanic in place to prevent or punish people or being bad actors.

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I was going to say this too. MOBAs are pretty toxic.

Between MOBA and OW they gotta be pretty close, but I've been playing LoL more than OW recently and I'm thinking OW is perhaps more toxic right now.

There a few big differences that attribute to this:

1.) OW without a true leaderboard makes everyone think they're carrying without really realizing how shit they are.
-- On the otherhand, it does prevent some toxicity against the worst performing players... maybe a wash?

2.) OW has No Ban/Pick phase and is FFA picks during game. Meaning its much much easier to troll or get stuck in bad matchups. Your one-tricks get countered much more easily. As opposed to MOBA where you lock in and can get more favorable matches which never change throughout the game. In OW this leads to people saying "Why didn't you switch?!?!?"

3.) Without items and comeback mechanics OW games can feel much more hopeless. In MOBAs you have alternative ways to make a comeback or "scale up" in hopes you can turn it around. In OW it's simply player skill and if you get shit teammates there is really nothing you can do at all. At least in MOBA 1 player could potentially "carry" the game.

4.) LoL in particular has 10 years of building systems to combat toxicity and I feel like its in a really decent place now compared with even just a few years ago. Lane assignments have made the biggest positive impact imo, as now everyone gets their preferred role (mostly).

LoL still has toxicity, granted, but its definitely been mitigated.

kaid said:

I kinda question the gear stuff making something like lol easier to come back from once you get behind. Lol basically the team that gets ahead gets more gear faster so is even MORE powerful than they were than when they were dunking you. In overwatch getting behind is not giving your opponents buffs to their health/armor/shields/damage or giving them new damaging abilities. LoLs gameplay although enjoyable always feels odd. Once you start getting dunked the hill gets even steeper making a comeback less and less likely. Snowballing is a LOT easier to do in something like LOL than overwatch.

Overwatch's issue is mainly people get stubborn and won't switch off something that clearly is a bad matchup for them. They went into the game going I want to hanzo the shit out of this match and god damn it that is what they are going to do even if it makes no fucking sense.

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There is a gear cap eventually and you can stall out games behind turrets. And some champions hit spikes at different times. Like a 3 item bruiser can annihilate a 4-5 item AD carry in a lot of cases. Gear allows carrying but is also a comeback mechanic.. You can try to avoid the enemy if they have more items until a point you've caught up. Doesn't always happen, but it is possible sometimes.

Edit: In any case, point is that it doesn't feel as hopeless than OW imo.