Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

blank_sl said:

So, like, a ponzi scheme right?

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How Kyndread is describing it, this would not be accurate. He's not stating that Brad would pay back the funds from new investor donations - he is saying it's more like an Office Space Milton scenario. That Brad won't take a paycheck for 3 months and it will work itself out and "fix the glitch." Have no idea on the truth behind that, but your statement isn't accurate either.

Punko_sl said:

Brad claimed that?

I'm sure they are safe, the up and coming god of MMO-gaming wouldn't lie.

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Definitely not saying that he wouldn't lie - which is why I obviously have put my disclaimer on the end. I also doubt that he would get rid of the volunteers either unless there was a much more viable alternative - just basic common sense.

Jimbolini_sl said:

Kyndread,

1. Thanks for posting here. Good or bad, you have more balls than most for answering questions on this forum.

2. What are the expectations of "the team"? Assuming Brad finds a CEO that will work on no salary, are they hoping to still find an investor?

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Jimbolini,

Thanks for the kind words.

The plan right now as I understand it is to get as much done as possible to have more to show to investors. With such a small, volunteer team, we realize that the pace of what is being worked on may be a bit slow for some. We are doing our best to work with what we have to take the game to the next level to appeal to more gamers as well as investors.

Although we are seeking a CEO, I would agree that there are likely few out there that would be willing to work for free. Either filling that position will have to wait until things are better financially to appeal to the right candidate, or perhaps one will agree to come on in anticipation of future pay. Either way, we are pressing ahead with high hopes that we will attract a greater following and that things will click into place to increase the likelihood of the game being successful.

Frenzic_sl said:

Why does Kyndread here change that? He's no one important lol. Don't be shy my little butterfly.

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Because he seems like a good guy and attacking him for Brad's fuckups isn't nearly as fun as mocking Brad directly. It's like having a problem with a company and yelling at the 30k a year CS rep that had nothing to do with it

i really hope Kyndread is some college kid still living at home with mom and dad paying all the bills. i dont want to imagine he is married with kids, no wife would put up with him wasting his time working on something for no money while the bills pile up around them. dude if you wont answer my questions, at least ask yourself the question. why are you still working on a project that will never see the light of day? how can you expect to get funded when the guy doing almost no work is hoovering up any cash the project does receive? if you dont believe us, then read that vanguard thread. microsoft threw 35 million dollars at brad and he still pulled a disappearing act and the game under his control was never completed. oh and the employees all got fucked. sound familiar? if you have family you can talk to, go to them and tell them the situation and see what they say about it.

Utnayan_sl said:

He took dollars invested (donated) to an incorporation out to relieve himself of personal debt outside the organization. It's illegal.

I would love to see why anyone needs to invest more money for a volunteer development staff. To pay Brad for his great ideas while he does no work and conned a bunch of volunteers to do it for him? Sounds like there are a lot of suckers out there.

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Again, not true, Brad theoretically could have any salary he wants as he is the only employee. The only other money distributed would have went through the "contracts" that were discussed and I still have no ideas on what those were. He still could have had the money distributed to a VRI account then "paid" to his personal account as a salary, and then paid off his bills. Doesn't make it any less right like I've said, but it's not illegal either. There was never some clause by the donators that I have to see X finished product with 150k or that Brad can only receive X amount of the donations.

Just to be clear.. I'm not defending his actions, I just don't think it's some giant shady scam either

Ambiturner_sl said:

Because he seems like a good guy and attacking him for Brad's fuckups isn't nearly as fun as mocking Brad directly. It's like having a problem with a company and yelling at the 30k a year CS rep that had nothing to do with it

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You're right, but I'm not attacking him for brads mistakes, I'm attacking him for his own mistakes. They are separate people with separate fuck ups. No one can equal brads level of retard, no point trying.

if it wasnt a scam from the start, it certainly is now.

Punko_sl said:

It was a scam.

People donated money for Pantheon, instead that money went to Brads random bills.

How else to define it?

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I could just as easily say that if Brad's random bills weren't paid, Pantheon's production would have stopped. Your entitled to your opinion, but I still think it was more just a delusional sense of worth or expectations of money that would going to be donated to the project based off his name. Then the angel investor backed out (think it was like 250k?) and an "oh shit" moment happened and the rest has pretty much been hashed out.

symbelmyne_sl said:

to each their own opinion i suppose...mismanaged? yeah...underfunded...yep. I enjoyed VG for a number of years. as did some of the other names I recognize in the thread. lack of content is what killed it for many in the end...i don't know why everyone complains about it running poorly...ran fine from me beta...on. you would be surprised how many people loved VG...and it has nothing to do with Brad. at the end of the day, SOE chose to never really support the game. i

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Yea, same for me. I did build a new computer just to play VG. It wasn't a super computer or anything, but all the components were brand new and current. I had very few problems running the game. We are obviously the exception not the rule. I had lots of fun playing VG. The music, classes, dungeons, cities......I liked everything about VG. The only thing missing was players. Its a damn shame it got off to such a rough start because it would have been a blast to play with a larger community and dedicated dev team.

Maester Chuk_sl said:

i really hope Kyndread is some college kid still living at home with mom and dad paying all the bills. i dont want to imagine he is married with kids, no wife would put up with him wasting his time working on something for no money while the bills pile up around them. dude if you wont answer my questions, at least ask yourself the question. why are you still working on a project that will never see the light of day? how can you expect to get funded when the guy doing almost no work is hoovering up any cash the project does receive? if you dont believe us, then read that vanguard thread. microsoft threw 35 million dollars at brad and he still pulled a disappearing act and the game under his control was never completed. oh and the employees all got fucked. sound familiar? if you have family you can talk to, go to them and tell them the situation and see what they say about it.

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I?m sorry, I didn?t mean for it to seem as if I were neglecting your question. I have so many things going on during the day that sometimes I feel as if there just aren?t enough hours in the day to get to everything.

I am indeed married. I also work full-time and the bills get paid. My wife has been more or less supportive about the whole thing. Perhaps the prospect of it possibly turning into some kind of supplemental income helps improve her opinion of my involvement. I guess her biggest issue is that it consumes much of my free time which otherwise would be spent with her doing other things. The rest of my family that is aware of it admittedly do have some reservations about it. I appreciate their concern, but times being as they are, I don?t want to prematurely walk away from any possible avenues for success in my life.

As to your question, I guess I stick with it because I believe that it will see the light of day. If I thought that there was no chance at all that the game would ever be released then I don?t think I would be involved anymore with it. I also don?t agree with your assessment that Brad doesn?t do any work and is snapping up all the cash. I may not have a crystal ball that allows me to watch what he is doing every second of every day, but he does seem active in the ways that I mentioned in a previous post. He may be in charge of the accounts to which the money goes, but who else would be being as he is the only employee of the company?

not for nothing... but Kyn told me that Brad needed to take more of the money because he was used to a certain kind of lifestyle. Sorry Kyn, that was a bonehead comment and some out there rationalization.