So Smed just posted pictures of new companies office hasn't given us a name or what they are doing. Says they won't have internet until Wednesday so I doubt we will get any updates for a while.
Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO
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Korrupt
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I think a major hurdle is that many people our age grew up where tedium was hand-in-hand with gaming in general. The games on the NES/SNES/Genesis that many people our age grew up on lacked a plethora of convenience features that the the 20-ish crowd takes for granted. They expect auto save, not to be kicked to title screens after failing a few platforms and they expect a certain amount of hand holding and instant gratification. The concept of playing a game for 20 minutes just to get to the same spot you kept failing is foreign to them but it was something many people our age had to do while playing older console games. So when we grew up and EQ and other "old school" MMOs came out it was second nature that the game was somewhat tedious. We expected it and we enjoyed it. But now that same crowd is married, has children, have a 40 hour job and are busy on the week days and week ends. Most of the crowd that played tedious MMOs simply lack the time to invest in a tedious MMO even if it is still what that player considers fun. The market that could play a tedious MMO enough to be a subscriber (which I also feel the sub model is dated as well -- most expect a F2P model at this age) isn't satisfied with the delayed gratification model of older MMOs. The MMO genre isn't dead completely but it does need to be revitalized in some fashion. Going back in time is not the answer.
hodj
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The economic collapse fo 2008 was what killed MMOs in my opinion, more than anything else.
Just less free time and more hardship overall out there. The majority of people don't have the luxury to sit around playing games all day anymore in that same way. That's why games like the MOBAs have gained in popularity. You can hop in, play a few rounds in an hour or two, hop out and go about your other business much more easily.
Just a hypothesis but I noticed a huge decline in MMO popularity around that time.
Just less free time and more hardship overall out there. The majority of people don't have the luxury to sit around playing games all day anymore in that same way. That's why games like the MOBAs have gained in popularity. You can hop in, play a few rounds in an hour or two, hop out and go about your other business much more easily.
Just a hypothesis but I noticed a huge decline in MMO popularity around that time.
I liked flying mounts in TBC because they where expensive and you only got them at the end of the leveling curve in the expansion. Also TBC was designed with it in mind so that was also cool, They did of course shoot themselves in the foot with it future expansions. It ruined world PVP of course.
You know...come to think of it. Mounted Combat would be a really cool mechanic to work off of in an MMO, People Jousted in PVP all the time, what if they actually made that a mechanic?
A game where you could use almost any ability on a mount with penalties and bonuses would be fun.
Utnayan
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Seriously I was thinking this the other day when someone mentioned Lord of the Rings. Just hop on a bird, take it to the top of the mountain, chuck the ring in the fire, and be done within about 45 minutes. Back in time for mead and 2nd breakfast.
What an idiot.
Erronius
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Yet that "instant gratification" group, as you phrase it, was around in EQ1, and a lot of them just didn't want gameplay that was the equivalent of standing around with your dick in your hand for hours at a time, or even worse, taking said dick and slamming it in a drawer repeatedly. People tend to forget just how much vitriol there was aimed at EQ1, and Furor's 14 day rant didn't resonate with people because they wanted instant gratification.
hodj
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You are correct that those instant gratification people existed in EQ1 as well but you also have to remember that the game didn't push end game content on its players at that time. The majority of players back then would never hit lvl 50 or ever go into a planar raid until way later. They where happy enough to log on their 30ish toon and hang out with guild mates or do a dungeon or craft or roleplay. It was a totally different environment in the original EQ.
Back then they said it straight up that most people would not see Veeshan's Peak or they would not see Sleepers Tomb and that was fine most people didn't care, You still see it today on P99 most of the people don't give a shit about "raiding" They like farming shit for some reason
I don't know about that. I don't know how you're defining the "vast vast majority" nor the timeframe you're giving them to reach 60 but since there wasn't an XP penalty in WoW you could freely fuck your way up to 60. It took longer since leveling back then wasn't quite as quest driven as it is now but it isn't like getting to 60 was an accomplishment or any indication of class knowledge.
Tearofsoul
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Skanda
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Erronius
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I have to ask you what you mean when you say "at that time", though I suspect you mean early EQ1. I'd say that later EQ1 was totally different and apples to oranges in a sense, but then again, it was that later EQ1 that people left WOW for.
Leveling to 60 definitely wasn't rocket science and worlds easier than leveling in EQ. It did take awhile to hit 60 though, much longer than 1-100 in today's WoW.