Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

qwertyqweqwertwqert said:

Not convinced. You don't really get to socialise more on a raid with a guild than you do just in guild chat anyway. And if there are people you really like, you can just group with them. I had regular groups with different people in my last guild and it was good because there were people from different timezones which suited me for playing at different times of the day, and they also wanted to do different things. So I had one guy who needed Tranix Crown so we did SolB regularly until we both got one, and then we did other stuff. And then I had a guy who wanted the monk epic so we grinded the mob in Karnor that dropped the pipe and we got a lot of exp doing that. And many more groups, and it was always more fun doing that than just being on a raid which wasn't even good for chatting anyway because everyone is busy travelling, buffing, clearing, etc.

Also the raid loot in EQ did make everything else obsolete. Everyone wanted a full set of planes armor from Hate and Fear, and once you had that, there was no reason to go anywhere else in the game. Sky had the best gear by far too, haste item that wouldn't get upgraded until sometime around Velious, uber rings and other quest items that were better than anything by far. Kunark was the same, the BP from Trak was the best, the legs from VS, and the raid haste was the best haste. So regular raiders had no reason to go to places like Seb or Chardok unless they just wanted to grind some exp. And dungeons are a lot more boring when people are only there to grind. And people wanted the shortcut, so they would join a raid guild and then do regular raids to Trak, the dragons for haste belts and spells and stuff, VS for legs and some other uber items, Chardok royals etc. And would often run older raid content too like Fear golems for the BCG, Aon, etc. Pretty soon the game becomes nothing but raiding because that is where all the best gear is.

Imo raiding should just be replaced by tuned dungeons. They should have some normal nameds and some that are heavily scripted, and could require similar effort to WoW mythic for some nameds. But if you do it as 6 people rather than trying to organise 50 zergers, it is much better, less of a chore, more chatting and actual playing. The problem with EQ raids especially is that the clearing was a boring chore, and then for bosses it was a good 10+ minutes of just buffing. If you were a buff class like a chanter or shammy, you had to buff 10+ people, then med, and do another 10+ people. Then someone pulls the raid mob and you gank it down in a few minutes. Group content can be just as challenging but without all the boring admin.

I would be all for raiding as the top end content, if it was really fun and challenging. But it isn't. Also some of the challenge that people think raiding has, isn't really challenging. It is a test of heal and dps output, tank mitigation etc. It is just a gear check. And nowadays there is some dance dance revolution line dancing around red blobs or whatever. The actual interesting mechanics could all be done in group content and would be more fun.

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2002User said:

No one is asking for moderation on differing opinions, but at least contribute to the discussion. Shitty one line posts where you personally attack someone's well thought out six paragraph posts are getting old though:





All I'm seeing here is you can't break his post down point by point and shit on him that way. You just quote him and call him a retard. Add something useful to the discussion or don't post. You're turning a valuable place for discussion into monkeys literally throwing shit at each other.

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