Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

That last video did fuck all for making me be interested in this bit of vapourware. Aside from the combat looking utterly snoozeworthy the part where they're discussing abilities like there's an element of player choice is just embarrassing. Have they heard of they internet? People won't experiment, they'll just spec to whatever the current meta is.

Nirgon admitted to being so hardcore into wow that his final breaking point was actually from being capped on how many legendary items he could obtain. Basically the dude sucked kotick's cock so thoroughly that he choked on it and now he just wants to run around calling everyone else wow dicksuckers to feel better about himself. Even people that don't and never went hardcore in wow.

Just take his posts for what they are: another form of falling down just not in gif form.

I mean i think you guys are vastly underestimating the revenue and appeal of eq. I only came back a month ago after 17 years and was surprised how many of the peeps i met so far are also first time tlpers.

Eve sold to China for like 400m and i imagine the active playerbase in eq is very similar. While EQ almost surely generates more revenue.

One friend who started same day as me is hardly a whale. Yet, hes bought at least 6 krono the 35 dollar bag thingy. Race chanhe and buncha xp pots. Ive spent about 75 on two accnts myself as i got the 2x 40 slots. So the two of a us in 1 month have paid to dbg as much as i paid for a year pr mpre of two accounts to ccp.

Will Pantheon have a player base ? IDK but EQ is actually doing very well. @eldiroth always said so and likely even better then since he left.

The problem with EverQuest was always that they never put enough back into the game that was actually making them money.

Whidon said:

I mean i think you guys are vastly underestimating the revenue and appeal of eq. I only came back a month ago after 17 years and was surprised how many of the peeps i met so far are also first time tlpers.

Eve sold to China for like 400m and i imagine the active playerbase in eq is very similar. While EQ almost surely generates more revenue.

One friend who started same day as me is hardly a whale. Yet, hes bought at least 6 krono the 35 dollar bag thingy. Race chanhe and buncha xp pots. Ive spent about 75 on two accnts myself as i got the 2x 40 slots. So the two of a us in 1 month have paid to dbg as much as i paid for a year pr mpre of two accounts to ccp.

Will Pantheon have a player base ? IDK but EQ is actually doing very well. @eldiroth always said so and likely even better then since he left.

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You have to partner with a Chinese company in order to publish there. Ie. They didnt sell Eve. Much less, Eve Online itself has been partnered with companies since 2006 in China. The partnership with NetEase not only allowed the game to stay in China, but also so NetEase could develop the mobile version of Eve Online - Eve Echoes.

EverQuest did have skill - it was just a totally different type of skill set in comparison to WoW and the comparison all but falls apart when analyzed. Similarities? Sure. But when you're killing Avatar of War with a handful of people (although it was comparable to watching paint dry) - you were a different breed of player compared to the zerg horde that throws 80-100 people at it. As far as classes - most were basic, but an Enchanter in a group setting was comparable to some of the twitch based classes of FFXIV in a raid setting.

Pantheon on the other hand? I have yet to see anything that looks like it could be remotely related to skill.

Sorry, but a low man AoW kill is just about how raid geared those people are. Set up your CH chain, get cripple on, auto attack.

Enchanter twitch play? LOL. No, you had to always be watching while charming, sure, but nothing approaching twitch gameplay. Mezzing and pulling while charming while busy still has plenty of time to do things.

The only real "skill" in EQ is knowledge.

DickTrickle said:

Sorry, but a low man AoW kill is just about how raid geared those people are. Set up your CH chain, get cripple on, auto attack.

Enchanter twitch play? LOL. No, you had to always be watching while charming, sure, but nothing approaching twitch gameplay. Mezzing and pulling while charming while busy still has plenty of time to do things.

The only real "skill" in EQ is knowledge.

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Ok, no skill what so ever in a low man AoW kill I guess? I should have also been very specific to when an Enchanter has high APM - specifically in a bad situation (trains etc). But yea, sure. Whatever. "Knowledge" has nothing to do with WoW or any other MMO I guess. Just all super 1337 Skeelz

Daidraco said:

Ok, no skill what so ever in a low man AoW kill I guess? I should have also been very specific to when an Enchanter has high APM - specifically in a bad situation (trains etc). But yea, sure. Whatever. "Knowledge" has nothing to do with WoW or any other MMO I guess. Just all super 1337 Skeelz

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Bit defensive there. As you'll note, I didn't reference wow at all. I didn't play the game. Thus I made no judgments on that game one way or another.

APM for an enchanter is there in rare situations but most of the time it's pretty low. If playing an enchanter was a high skill bar to clear there wouldn't be so many of them on TLPs. Yes, they're not all the same, but it's not that hard to be almost as good as the best enchanter.

What do you feel the skill part of a low man aow kill is? It's one of the simplest mobs to understand and manage. It really is a gear check.

The classes that required "skill" were basically just pulling classes. For everyone else the gameplay loop was 2-3 buttons typically. Pullers had to do a bit more before the shit got to the party and then their gameplay loop started.

EQ wasn't hard; it was a 2-3 button loop for 90% of the playerbase with what, hitting defensive occasionally as a tank? Timing a recast of a debuff when an icon blinks (or later when they added timers)?

I played a SK; pulled for almost every group I was ever in and tanked for most of them as well. The times I was doing neither(and especially not pulling)? Absolutely the most boring game play loop. Even FFXI had more interactive gameplay than that.

If I didnt know any better I'd think Nirgon was a tyen alt

People always talk about how eq doesn't take skill eq is easy eq is a noob game anyone can be good at eq... etc etc etc...

...and then server after server you CLEARLY notice that a few people are just better than others, and a lot of people are just worse. You see the people who can pull and split or do 5 roles at once or dominate a whole zone and just crush pussy and the people who are mediocre and the half of the server that suck cock.

Sorry, but while it's really hard to pinpoint WHAT the skills are or give ideal examples of skill, if you just play everquest it's impossible not to notice the disparities and realize a small set of people are downright better than most. It can't be knowledge. It has to be skill.

Some people are clearly better at scrambling eggs too, doesn't mean it takes much skill in the first place. What you're noticing is that mostly mouth breathers still play EQ, because its braindead easy and... well... they cant even breathe through their nose

yerm said:

People always talk about how eq doesn't take skill eq is easy eq is a noob game anyone can be good at eq... etc etc etc...

...and then server after server you CLEARLY notice that a few people are just better than others, and a lot of people are just worse. You see the people who can pull and split or do 5 roles at once or dominate a whole zone and just crush pussy and the people who are mediocre and the half of the server that suck cock.

Sorry, but while it's really hard to pinpoint WHAT the skills are or give ideal examples of skill, if you just play everquest it's impossible not to notice the disparities and realize a small set of people are downright better than most. It can't be knowledge. It has to be skill.

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We'll always have people clearly in different camps on the skill debate of a 21 year old game. Personally, I think you hit the nail on the head. A player has all the information of the world at their fingertips, yet they still fk up simple stupid shit. So I guess a greater question is.. If you're a "pro" gamer, and you fuck up cause you lack knowledge of the game - are you still considered skillful? If you know everything about the game, and you constantly fuck up cause you're a dumb ass - does that mean that knowledge of the world does not equate skill? Im not ignorant to the fact that this is the Old Man forum, so I wont expect a legitimate conversation. But in my mind, saying EQ was just a vapid time waster without skill is obnoxious.

Can you imagine if this WoW dad guild tried to roll up on Green 99 against us lol

Neranja said:

Because that money is drying up. Fast. If it would be so easy to keep a server running they would have kept the Mac EQ client alive. But even Smed had to admit it lost them money.

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Oh so now there's 20 years of enough money to pay the bills in an EQ game

Ever occur to you guys they aren't trying to make McDonalds but a really nice neighborhood restaurant? That might not be for the drooling slobs. Go get your Travis Scott QPC and simp on some Kotick OnlyFans yall.

I mean, I wouldn't say everquest was zero skill. It just wasn't that necessary almost all of the time. Reaction time and knowing what to do without having to think about it much is is something I would call a skill, but it just doesn't matter 99% of the time in EQ. It was rare that the environment would force you into those situations.


I'm also not the type to hold up not being a dumbass as a skill. There's always going to be some people who just can never get better even at simple things. But 80-90% of people can be 80-90% of the best player in everquest... And that's why I think it's not a high skill game. I don't think you can say that about every game.