EQ was just extra slow honestly. Everything played faster with more "action". Even UO and DAoC were faster paced.
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Smed can't be trusted to keep his promises, Brad can't be trusted to manage MMO development. Slightly different issues. Smed needs to go and Brad needs to be working under/for a competent producer.
I bought into the eqn hype at SOE live, but came to my senses. Storybricks may be uber but Smed/SOE will find a way to screw it up (and in fact they did with action combat and be all you can be class system)
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Thats what I meant. Maybe not in a general "action combat" terms of aiming and missing, but in the broader sense that you actually had more shit going on other than the backstab and taunt buttons on melee characters.
Wow introduced a variety of skills and mechanics to the melee classes like combo points, rage for the warriors, which was in fact more action oriented than EQ ever was, while still being a tab targeting game at its core.
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And this is why I keep reiterating my point. You EQ diehards are so out of touch that it's comical. Just take a moment to read this to yourself, analyze it, and realize how zealous you sound. EQ, for some of you, might as well be a goddamned religion. It's really frightening to see how much that game absorbed certain people.
Good, I'm glad consumers are wising up. Let developers go through the risks and pitfalls that everyone else has had to. I'm tired of consumers hedging the risks of companies.
Getting something funded on kickstarter is going to get harder in the near future. If Garriott and Jacobs both produce garbage it will hurt future projects. If Star Citizen flops it might kill future games outright heh. People have spent thousands on ships already. Getting burnt that bad on a well funded project is going to make people paranoid.
Hateyou
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Mainly because they are using data and facts to back up their choice...rather than UHMERICA, FUCK YAY!!!
Just here to laugh at your inability to accept reality.
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He is 100% correct.
Hell the terrain isn't even painted well and the prefab of the building is just stuck into the terrain. It isn't blended or grounded to look like it belongs there in any way. 20 minutes is being generous, I'd say more like 5.
and still, in only 5 minutes they made a terrain that looks a thousand times better than candy land, i mean EQN...
EQN uses voxels so not even remotely comparable.
Those screens aren't good, they are generic shit that looks about 10 years old, using a monotone color pallet.
I want to know what games you guys have been playing for the last few years that you think those graphics are anything even approaching decent. Vanguard was better.
It looks alot like a total war game when you zoom all the way in actually. And not one new ones. Her is a shot from Empire.
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Those screens look fine. For a pre-alpha build it looks damn good. It just goes to show you what they can pull of in unity in a short period of time. Also comparing that to Vanguard? Really? Have you played it recently? Vanguard compared to those screens is like comparing EQ1 and EQ2 graphics wise.
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Youre taking your interpretation of what "action" combat is. If you cannot discern between EQs combat and WoWs having more action, than I don't know what else to tell you. It has nothing to do with tempo. Wows combat and EQs combat had pretty much the same tempo although WoW required more input from the user.
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Another thing that makes those screenshots look decent is that they're way zoomed out. That always makes things look better -- more epic and hides the details. Still, I agree it would have helped enormously to have had this in the beginning.
I'm still really curious when they're going to pick up someone who can code besides Vu, though.
I'm still really curious when they're going to pick up someone who can code besides Vu, though.
On the bar setting goal for Brad, I just wanted to see he could run a lemonade stand without screwing it up. That's all , kept my money in the KS pledge even with napkin scribbling for updates.
At some point , repeated mistakes on a simple idea like a Kickstarter , not referring to lack of game content shown , but very, basic simple shit like being absent for a week then begging on twitter for angel investors, have added up to there's no way even the biggest fan of this can objectively say anyone should have confidence in Brad pulling this off.
There's zero evidence he can manage money or a team. Zero. There's evidence to the contrary from Vanguard to the current Kickstarter.
Common sense has to prevail at some point , and it's nothing about "hating" Brad , it's about looking at a set of facts and forming a reasonable decision.
There are zero facts that can be used to show giving Brad cash to be in charge of will be used well.
Again I would very much enjoy a game like Pantheon (from what I gather , although I still don't know if it has radar or not and I'm not sure they do) , but the general idea of it I would like.
The only way this thing every happens is angel investor with shitloads of money to drop , says here's your millions , here's a CEO who knows what they are doing , they are in charge and you answer to them McQuaid , period.
Without that (and it's not going to happen) , this thing doesn't get made , ever.
At some point , repeated mistakes on a simple idea like a Kickstarter , not referring to lack of game content shown , but very, basic simple shit like being absent for a week then begging on twitter for angel investors, have added up to there's no way even the biggest fan of this can objectively say anyone should have confidence in Brad pulling this off.
There's zero evidence he can manage money or a team. Zero. There's evidence to the contrary from Vanguard to the current Kickstarter.
Common sense has to prevail at some point , and it's nothing about "hating" Brad , it's about looking at a set of facts and forming a reasonable decision.
There are zero facts that can be used to show giving Brad cash to be in charge of will be used well.
Again I would very much enjoy a game like Pantheon (from what I gather , although I still don't know if it has radar or not and I'm not sure they do) , but the general idea of it I would like.
The only way this thing every happens is angel investor with shitloads of money to drop , says here's your millions , here's a CEO who knows what they are doing , they are in charge and you answer to them McQuaid , period.
Without that (and it's not going to happen) , this thing doesn't get made , ever.
Yes, I cant believe it didnt happen. (/sarcasm off) Is honesty really that hard? I am truelly dumbfounded why Brad has a history of not being striaght with the facts, it only makes things worse.