Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO
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Tmac
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I was thinking about this when I was playing WoW with a friend the other day.
He hasn't played since BC and I haven't played since Cataclysm and we both started back about two weeks ago. He was asking me about zones like Thousand Needles, that have changed a lot since Vanilla. As we were discussing the changes to the world, I thought that it was unfortunate that unless we Reroll(TM), we'll never get to experience the updates.
I've been thinking the exact same thing zzeris.
We've been complaining about how shitty this industry is since WotLK. And you could argue TBC since those dungeons were the start of some fantastic dogshit.
BRAD, please...
BRAD, please...
iannis
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I remember having that thought about halfway through Kunark when I was running through Innothule swamp and did a /who. It was me and about 4 other people in the zone.
I mean that happened almost 15 years ago at this point, and I still remember it because it made me powerful sad. I think that was the beginning of the end of EQ for me.
Fuck you Brad.
I mean that happened almost 15 years ago at this point, and I still remember it because it made me powerful sad. I think that was the beginning of the end of EQ for me.
Fuck you Brad.
Listen, this piece of trash industry could make a game we all would froth over. They won't because once this level of capital enters an industry, it almost transforms it into a meta-game: where the actual content of what you're passionate about makes no difference. What matters is that meta-game of market research, exploiting every revenue stream, and earnings calls. Those types of activities dictate the product, and because they dictate the product, they then dictate the design and people designing that product.
Whereas a game like EQ was made by accident, experimentation, mistakes, passion, and creativity all mixed together, none of that happens when this amount of money enters a market. It's gone. The drivers of products aren't those things, but they're now customer focus groups and MBA-centric analytics to extract as much revenue as humanly possible and exploit the market in every way the company can.
Did I mention this industry is garbage? I'll say it again.
What I want, what most of us here want, is very fucking simple. A REMOVAL of the beancounters dictating design, of the fucking terrible marketing and analytics that drives the product. REMOVE it.
Take Brad, a bunch of smelly neckbeards who are too ugly and smelly to care enough about 'tweeting the latest crafting videoblog' and who DO.NOT.CARE about whether timmy the retard answers pirates or ninjas!1!! in the latest terrible survey your company puts up for no good design reason whatsoever. Take those two, throw in a token woman to give them enough motivation to compete with each other and show up for work, and lock them all in a room. Give them a decent budget, but not even close to the 100+ million financial disease retardedness that has afflicted this entire industry. And say, be fucking creative, make whatever you want. You want to make EQ? Make it, and do your best to make it better. No fancy graphics, no bullshit social media, nothing. Just the most immersive experience out there. To make sure Vanguard doesn't happen again, drug test them all.
Whereas a game like EQ was made by accident, experimentation, mistakes, passion, and creativity all mixed together, none of that happens when this amount of money enters a market. It's gone. The drivers of products aren't those things, but they're now customer focus groups and MBA-centric analytics to extract as much revenue as humanly possible and exploit the market in every way the company can.
Did I mention this industry is garbage? I'll say it again.
What I want, what most of us here want, is very fucking simple. A REMOVAL of the beancounters dictating design, of the fucking terrible marketing and analytics that drives the product. REMOVE it.
Take Brad, a bunch of smelly neckbeards who are too ugly and smelly to care enough about 'tweeting the latest crafting videoblog' and who DO.NOT.CARE about whether timmy the retard answers pirates or ninjas!1!! in the latest terrible survey your company puts up for no good design reason whatsoever. Take those two, throw in a token woman to give them enough motivation to compete with each other and show up for work, and lock them all in a room. Give them a decent budget, but not even close to the 100+ million financial disease retardedness that has afflicted this entire industry. And say, be fucking creative, make whatever you want. You want to make EQ? Make it, and do your best to make it better. No fancy graphics, no bullshit social media, nothing. Just the most immersive experience out there. To make sure Vanguard doesn't happen again, drug test them all.
Big Flex
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Joke was that no Kickstarter happening because a publisher picked it up. Joke moved on to imply no publisher would actually fund a project without the super mainstream involved because they scared. Joke didn't land.
This really resonates with me personally. Recently lost my job at a game company partly due to those beancounters. In retrospect, it's probably good that there's one less studio making trash games with revenue models that exploit their users.
zzeris
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Sorry to hear that and it's a universal problem in business right now. Short term profit for shareholders is the only true goal for most companies. Global economy has allowed cheap workers to devalue the true strength of any company...the people who actually do the work. Hope you find something better soon.
Heallun
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Shit, innothule was shitty even when it was relevant. People got to ro/guk as fast as they could
Too much random shit killing you in inny.
shabushabu
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Love to hear about specifically what u mean I.e. Revenue models that exploit users .. It has been obvious to most of us gamers but I would love to hear this validated by someone in the biz... Not sure if you can share.
Anyway good luck man !!
Hateyou
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It isn't just the gaming industry that is like that. I work at a company with revenueover $100 BILLION/yearandALL THEY CARE ABOUTis bottom line, saving, profit. It's crazy working at a company where you feel like the company hates you and you are just a negative dollar sign to them, feel like an axe hovering above your head all the time. It's pretty disgusting, but what are you gona do.