Prelude to Axanar (2014)
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Jait
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We don't all know that. I'd put my Trek cred up against any fan. And I totally agree with CBS.
Look. We fans only own this in our hearts. If we want to dress up and play grab ass, fine. But when people start forming a cartel and pretend they own intellectual properties because they've done some fancy cosplay is fucking retarded. Boycott CBS/Paramount/Lucille Ball whoever. I'll continue to support the product the same way I support my fucking Philadelphia sports teams even during eras when they suck.
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If someone wants a Solomon solution to this that will piss everyone off: Let CBS produce it.
Creative content is controlled by Axanar, but the money flows through the god damned people who spent 50 years keeping it alive. You can't argue they let people do half-assed productions in the past. So did Star Wars. That doesn't mean I can crowdfund 1m movie that takes place 50 years before Ep1. It's going to be huge. Then I will have 50m to do the next one...and now I'm competing and cannibalizing the original product profits. It's really obvious why this needs to be stopped now.
iannis
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Probably would have been better to contract them though.
The past few star treks have been shit. Get some pro-am that can deliver a trek product that makes the fans happy. You don't have to pay them Abrams money. Everyone wins.
It's not that I'm married to the underdog, it seems this sort of business is shortsighted and bodes nothing good for future trek. Of course they own the name and can do as they please. Maybe there was a better option here.
The past few star treks have been shit. Get some pro-am that can deliver a trek product that makes the fans happy. You don't have to pay them Abrams money. Everyone wins.
It's not that I'm married to the underdog, it seems this sort of business is shortsighted and bodes nothing good for future trek. Of course they own the name and can do as they please. Maybe there was a better option here.
opiate82
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Too worthless to litigate.
I don't see how they lose unless Gene Roddenberry or CBS did something dumb like forgetting to renew the copyright.
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Agreed. I seem to remember reading something about how they said it was okay. I doubt they have any documentation of that, but if they could somehow prove that it's all they would need.
Right. Such IPs are meant to make money in perpetuity for entities that had no hand in their creation.
Chanur
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Paramount/CBS may have just lost me as a customer. If the morons running those companies and or the Star Trek franchise would have backed these guys or at the very least bounced off the enormous good will they were generating for a franchise that has not done anything on TV in about a decade they could have launched a new series at a perfect time. This little indie project was no threat to their Star Trek income. If they had a clue they could have used this to launch a new show or project with tons of people high on the franchise.
opiate82
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At what point does something become worthwhile to litigate?
Now I'm not well versed in copyright/intellectual property law but my understanding is unless you make an effort to protect your copyright you lose it?
Chanur
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They are making shitty movies with it so they are definitely still using the copy right. They are 100% in the right on this issue its just bullshit that they gave the okay then back tracked. Fuck them for wasting a good franchise with their no talent lowest denominator bullshit.
opiate82
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Again, I don't know the in's and out's of copyright law, but my understanding is using it alone is not enough, you need to actively defend it.
*edit: Okay, I guess I'm confusing Trademark and Copyright law, this is what some quick Googling told me:
Palum
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Not quite. You are conflating a few separate issues there. What you might be thinking of is the 'common term' or dilution of a trademark. The best examples are bad effort (band-aid/ kleenex) vs. good effort (Lego).
For copyrights, depending on when they were created you do have to renew to extend. You get more protection if you register them than if you don't and in that regard if you don't register a copyright, you will have to bring them to court to enforce it and you might not be eligible for all the same damages/benefits as a registered copyright.
Worthwhile is up to you - fan fiction for instance makes no money and you probably can't claim damages in most cases. You would likely be losing fans and negatively affecting your IP, so why would you do it? However once derivative works start to outpace the original, it's time to separate. There's absolutely zero mystery why Fifty Shades of Grey started as fan fiction (derivative) and ended as a new storyline - once people liked it and the idea to sell/promote it came up it was necessary.
Arbitrary
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Well, given when Star Trek was created the copyright will hold until 2063 provided that the law isn't changed again at some point to prevent works from 1978 and before from entering into the public domain after 95 years from date of publication.
Which it probably will be because fuck you if you think Micky Mouse isevergoing to enter the public domain.
Arbitrary
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Warning - this is a Salon article written by Courtney Love and I have not vetted it. It's just something I read years ago and is related to the discussion a little. It's about the Digital Millennium Copyright Act and how it was changed at the last second to fuck over musicians. From 2000 -
Courtney Love does the math - Salon.com
Courtney Love does the math - Salon.com