Science!! Fucking magnets, how do they work?
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Merrith
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Perhaps we haven't invented the machine yet that has the sensitivity to observe Furry admitting he was wrong.
LachiusTZ
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Ambiturner
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He has absolutely no business living to see these predictions come true and should have died 30 years ago. If I were him i'd be rubbing this in every Furry-esque hater's face one ear twitch at a time
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Furry
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I accept science for what it is. I claimed before this was not proven, which was true. Now that there is some observational evidence, I will consider it likely. As with all new theories posted here, I will wait till the experiment is reproduced and verified at another site, to eliminate possible systematic errors *(Such as in the case of neutrinos breaking the speed of light) before considering it fully observationally verified. Since the cite in italy is comparable and capable of verifying this one, all we need do is wait.
My stance is exactly where it started, that observational data is king. You clowns feel free to speculate outside of science, I won't.
Edit, let me add additionally that the experiment in question is sound. If they didn't mess up severely, they did discover something. This is a very different beast from the attempts to obscure loopholes in quantum mechanics that I find so scientifically objectionable.
My stance is exactly where it started, that observational data is king. You clowns feel free to speculate outside of science, I won't.
Edit, let me add additionally that the experiment in question is sound. If they didn't mess up severely, they did discover something. This is a very different beast from the attempts to obscure loopholes in quantum mechanics that I find so scientifically objectionable.
Someone with more smrts than me explain if this relates or doesn't to a physical observance of the actual fabric between dimensional time/space.
ie. were these waves a rippling of the "fabric" between 3rd and 4th dimensions?
Further, if gravity was what caused these, let's get going on universal gravity manipulators!
ie. were these waves a rippling of the "fabric" between 3rd and 4th dimensions?
Further, if gravity was what caused these, let's get going on universal gravity manipulators!
Ambiturner
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You've been vocal in your belief that gravity propagates instantly and not at the speed of light, which this directly contradicts. So let's not play the "I'm just being a responsible scientist" card when a ridiculous belief of yours is so soundly disproven.
LachiusTZ
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Wooden, essentially, from what I understand, yes. Meant to bring it up earlier, but time is at a premium for me right now.
Which brings me to something I did want to discuss, is the implication that space time can not exceed c? I remember reading years ago there was a thought that actual gravity was instant, maybe that only applies after the curve of space time has occurred?
On Phone, so shit is not exactly stated how I would like, but should be clear enough.
Which brings me to something I did want to discuss, is the implication that space time can not exceed c? I remember reading years ago there was a thought that actual gravity was instant, maybe that only applies after the curve of space time has occurred?
On Phone, so shit is not exactly stated how I would like, but should be clear enough.
Furry
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The effect of gravity still occurs at infinite speed in relativity, the only thing limited by the speed of light is essentially the propagation of changes in the field. Gravity itself being entirely limited by the speed of light is absurd and doesn't work at all on even the most basic scientific level.
LachiusTZ
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Does this not show that changes in space time propagate at c, not gravity itself? Kind of splitting hairs?
Makes for some interesting thoughts regarding Hubble constant, changes in space time, neutrinos etc.
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Yes, it's splitting hairs. That's the whole "propagation of gravity" vs just the speed of gravity. Gravity itself isn't really force, so attaching a speed to it doesn't really make sense. However, it can't affect anything faster than c.
However, it is this propagation that Furry has denied being limited by c which he now has apparently accepted.
Distance also shouldn't have any effect on its speed
LachiusTZ
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How do you reconcile that with inflation / dark energy?
(Speed was the wrong word, time elapsed during transit time from A to B and A to B to C, relative speed maybe? Still on phone, so don't hamstring me to hard with technicalities.)
Ambiturner
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Not sure I understand what you're asking. Are you wondering how could it be that gravity can't propagate faster than c when the universe expands faster than c?