Sovereign Citizens

Jesus christ the car wasn't even in park. That cop seems like a bumblefuck and should have waited for another unit.

You can't just let a car roll like that while trying to make an arrest. Someone should have been on the car.

Hoss said:

Shes pretty tough though. Most people go down like a sack of potatoes when they get hit for a second with the barbs of justice. Sounded like she took a sustained blast it barely phased her.

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Unless the older tasers are different, most of that taser time it was not giving her good effect. (Slower and louder clicks means it's not getting great connection into them. He shot from too close so without good spread he would not be getting Neuro Muscular Incapacitation and instead just pain compliance shock. ((and much of that time may not have been giving a shock except as she moved giving it more contact))


Now jay is going to do his jay thing. Of course they can just let it roll if there's no threat of it running over someone. You can't always wait for someone. That being said, I think the officer did a bit poorly. More patience was an option. Better verbal skills including making it clear force will be used etc. It likely would still have been physical removing her from the vehicle but it looks a lot better for witnesses and the camera when it shows you exhausted every reasonable option.

Failure to ID is the keystone to soverign arguments, you TECHNICALLY don't have to...

I think at that point they are considered detained, so IDing is correct.

FYI I love shrilling for sov cits- you can look back on this thread.



BBBUUTTTTTTT technically if you are to a point where the answer to "AM I BEING DETAINED!?!?!?" Is "yes" - the BOOKING is where the person is ID'd

You can be taken into custody etc as an unidentified individual (or xcvers or mheaamz etc)

I have gone over the entire "logic" of sov citz..

Something trivial is not justified reason to "detain" a citizen - and if you technically do not have to identify, nor do any of the other "commands" issued by cops - THEIR taking you into custody and THEIR escalation without cause is the problem.

TECHNICALLY imo cops escalate things WAY MORE than they should.

A sov cit is going to be a pain in the ass, yes.

It all gets down to playing semantics with laws and stuff.

Vanessa said:

I've seen my fair share of sovereigns, but this... this unshowered shrieking banshee is THE worst I've ever seen and the cops I think are secretly monks in white guy masks due to their patience with this horrible shithead.

Pulled over for failure to use blinker, refusing to ID; you can glean through context she's had multiple run-ins with cops in the past / tickets. Boyfriend must be cucked as all get out to deal with such a toxic lump of human.

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Pretty sure she was in trouble after. Most of these cases aren't people who have done NOTHING wrong, but people who are hiding something. In her case, a suspended licence. She said it, you can hear it in the video at about 15:20.

BoozeCube said:

I mean you technically don’t have to in order to walk around and shit but you do need a permit to operate a vehicle.

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You mean operate personal property?

Fascist.

BoozeCube said:

I mean you technically don’t have to in order to walk around and shit but you do need a permit to operate a vehicle.

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cabbitcabbit said:

You mean operate personal property?

Fascist.

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And you mean you need a license to traverse the country on land and roads that are by proxy "yours" sheesh, we have fascists alllll over!

That's why they say they are "traveling" not "driving" etc.

I know my rights, 99% of the time used incorrectly, drives me far crazier than just some asshole trying to cuss me out.

TrollfaceDeux said:

Scream is pretty cool.

But that's pretty brutal.... Police obviously overdid it. Holy fuck.

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I'm not 100% on board with how he handled, on the other hand. What do you expect him to have done when he is wanting to effect an arrest and they won't comply and are in a vehicle? While I'd feel unlikely, don't forget you are dealing with an unknown person that could pull a gun quite quickly as we've seen in the cops thread. Generally a sane/rational or otherwise non serious criminal is going to give you some semblance of compliance even if they are mouthing off. To me it's red flag when for something simple they are being that resistant.

Funny how most of these videos show people "knowing their rights" are actually people who are breaking the laws.

I'm not driving, I'm traveling - why hasn't anyone pointed out to them that, they assumed they were driving considering they're sitting in the drivers seat. And if they are really travelling they should change seats to the travellers seat. Oh there isn't one. Punked.

Slyminxy said:

Funny how most of these videos show people "knowing their rights" are actually people who are breaking the laws.

I'm not driving, I'm traveling - why hasn't anyone pointed out to them that, they assumed they were driving considering they're sitting in the drivers seat. And if they are really travelling they should change seats to the travellers seat. Oh there isn't one. Punked.

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It lies in the semantics of driving etc being a commercial act somehow vs traveling is it's own almost philisophical concept back to colonial days and freedoms of travel or some such. They well know they are in a vehicle, but the core concept is that they are not "operating" in any sort of business/commercial sense. It gets watered down and changed in argument/verbiage because these folks are often on different pages from one another and many are just mimicking what theyve seen and arn't wholly understanding the concepts. Bitches still be crazy though.