Star Citizen Online - The search for more money

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If you know someone trustworthy that backed the game early enough to gift him the package you buy he can upgrade it to lifetime insurance, then gift it back to you. This works until some point in November, after that everything comes without lifetime insurance. Nobody really knows how important that is, though. I think slighty better prices (just a few bucks) and this lifetime insurance stuff are the only advantages early backers have over just buying in now, but I really havent followed it enough to say that for sure.
 
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Unless I'm wrong the lifetime insurance only covers the ship you got with your pledge. Which means it's worthless unless the ship you bought two years before the game comes out is actually competitive after more than a couple days of playtime. To me it seems like a lifetime warranty on training wheels.

Frankly I'd be a little dismayed if the ship I got for buying a game early allowed me to not have to upgrade forever.
 
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A stretch goal should have been made to get James Earl Jones to voice any and all cutscenes. He single handedly made Colony Wars an epic experience.
 
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Tuco_sl said:
Unless I'm wrong the lifetime insurance only covers the ship you got with your pledge. Which means it's worthless unless the ship you bought two years before the game comes out is actually competitive after more than a couple days of playtime. To me it seems like a lifetime warranty on training wheels.

Frankly I'd be a little dismayed if the ship I got for buying a game early allowed me to not have to upgrade forever.
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Free T1-fit cruisers for life in EVE would be sweet regardless of more powerful ships existing, so even with that caveat lifetime insurance might be very good once the game comes out. That aside you could pump hundreds or thousand of dollars into this for bigger/better insured ships, and still can. There's a reason they jump up a million dollars per week.
 
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So can I jump into my insured basic starter ship and be all RAMMING SPEED and piss people off?
 
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You can, but they stated the insurance companies would argue more the more claims you file. Ram a ship and they replace your ship free in 12 hours. Destroy the next ship and it takes 24, then 72, a week, etc.

You can also lose it if you are caught using it for fraud. Take your ship out and let a buddy pirate capture it, report the loss, reclaim ship and do it again = fraud

Lots of stuff still up the air and unexplained.

As for the ships, I pledged some absurd amount, $175 or something, for the massive cargo ship that was available for a limited time. The thing could carry a ton on goods, 50x what a starter ship could or something, potentially earning much more, much faster. I'm probably more inclined to risk more dangerous area's of space if all I have to worry about losing is my cargo. Who knows at this point, it may mean nothing, but meh. Even if some bigger ships come out that trump this one, I can always just hire NPCS to fly this one around in my fleet, or with other NPC escorts.

Lastly, the way the ship insurance works is that it covers the chassis of your ship, the default. Buy a new engine and tons of guns? All gone. I believe you can insure that stuff separately, but yeah.

Also, typed all of this on my phone, so sorry for a lack of elaboration/abundunce of errors!
 
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How to spot a scam
A beginner's guide to scams - Money Advice Service

There are some general signs that should set alarm bells ringing wherever you see them. Be very suspicious if:

- something sounds too good to be true
- you?re asked to give out personal or bank account information
- you aren't given long to make a decision or you feel pressured into making one immediately
- you?re asked to pay anything up-front
 
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Am sure has been asked at some point - but curious if they have stated how persistent and how large universes will be for players - and will they be hosting these or are they player hosted ones ?

Basically if there will be mini eve number player persistent universes I'm all in for this and need to see about backing - if it's temporary or small numbered ones - or hosted player side a'la Neverwinter/nw2 it's not my thing.
 
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dogbarf_sl said:
How to spot a scam
A beginner??Ts guide to scams - Money Advice Service

There are some general signs that should set alarm bells ringing wherever you see them. Be very suspicious if:

- something sounds too good to be true
- you're asked to give out personal or bank account information
- you aren't given long to make a decision or you feel pressured into making one immediately
- you're asked to pay anything up-front
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Thanks for looking out.

I know it's a little silly but I see all these people dumping hundreds of dollars into buying new ships, yeah the developer has a lot of credibility and yeah there's obviously a lot of work being done on this, but these people are still going to be REALLY burned if the project fails for any reason.
 
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Laura_sl said:
Thank Tuco.
I got some blue crystals for you if you want btw. But cash up-front.


Cheers!
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Tuco_sl said:
Thanks for looking out.

I know it's a little silly but I see all these people dumping hundreds of dollars into buying new ships, yeah the developer has a lot of credibility and yeah there's obviously a lot of work being done on this, but these people are still going to be REALLY burned if the project fails for any reason.
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Well, I suppose it's a matter of perspective. I am looking at people who have dropped thousands on this and thought they are crazy, but a lot of people have that just lying around like spare change. A couple years ago I wouldn't have dreamed of putting up a couple of hundred dollars towards a game, but I payed for a $238 dinner last night with a couple friends and didn't bat an eye because it was worth it to me (on vacation and haven't seen them in years). That being said, I then went back to my super shitty cheap hotel room, because I'm just sleeping there and thats not really a proiority to me.

I'm definitely hoping its a game I can sink a hundred plus hours in, but who knows.
 
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Heh I only pledged whatever the amount was for the game/beta on like opening day ($35?) and haven't really followed it since. I don't even know what I get other than the flying death trap with the bubble cockpit.
 
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Well, I suppose it's a matter of perspective. I am looking at people who have dropped thousands on this and thought they are crazy, but a lot of people have that just lying around like spare change. A couple years ago I wouldn't have dreamed of putting up a couple of hundred dollars towards a game, but I payed for a $238 dinner last night with a couple friends and didn't bat an eye because it was worth it to me (on vacation and haven't seen them in years). That being said, I then went back to my super shitty cheap hotel room, because I'm just sleeping there and thats not really a proiority to me.

I'm definitely hoping its a game I can sink a hundred plus hours in, but who knows.
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Yeah if someone lives life without valuing money I can see how they wouldn't mind buying a bunch of ships that they probably won't use a week after release. It benefits me though, the more money suckers spend on useless shit in games the more easily we'll see games not follow inflation.
 
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Dahkoht_sl said:
Am sure has been asked at some point - but curious if they have stated how persistent and how large universes will be for players - and will they be hosting these or are they player hosted ones ?

Basically if there will be mini eve number player persistent universes I'm all in for this and need to see about backing - if it's temporary or small numbered ones - or hosted player side a'la Neverwinter/nw2 it's not my thing.
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Chris Roberts on Multiplayer, Single Player and Instancing - Roberts Space Industries
 
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Well.. It's been 3 days since they integrated that guy into their matrices. Where's my Cutlass chasis? /impatient
 
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Tuco_sl said:
Yeah if someone lives life without valuing money I can see how they wouldn't mind buying a bunch of ships that they probably won't use a week after release. It benefits me though, the more money suckers spend on useless shit in games the more easily we'll see games not follow inflation.
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Pretty much this.

They have a zillion dollars of other people's money to make their game. So I'll just wait for release and buy it then. The laws of game making and mass acceptance mean that none of their perks can have any serious long term value or people like me and the rest of the planet will not buy in after the fact.

I figure the prepaid folks are basically getting a low level mount... like the double dick head turtle in Rift... woooopeee. There is some minor benifit but the over the long haul it means nothing. And again, if that's not true and the prepaid folks have a serious advantage, then I won't even buy the game, as is true for most gamers. Which would make horrible business sense since you can't support a game long term on just the prepaid players.
 
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Grim1_sl said:
Pretty much this.

They have a zillion dollars of other people's money to make their game. So I'll just wait for release and buy it then. The laws of game making and mass acceptance mean that none of their perks can have any serious long term value or people like me and the rest of the planet will not buy in after the fact.

I figure the prepaid folks are basically getting a low level mount... like the double dick head turtle in Rift... woooopeee. There is some minor benifit but the over the long haul it means nothing. And again, if that's not true and the prepaid folks have a serious advantage, then I won't even buy the game, as is true for most gamers. Which would make horrible business sense since you can't support a game long term on just the prepaid players.
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Unless, of course, they keep anything but basic ships in a cash shop (Im looking at you StarTrek Online). Considering Cryptic has finetuned that cashflow into boosting the game from "oh shit its gonna implode" to hiring more people to the team I dont think that is out of the question.
 
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Unless, of course, they keep anything but basic ships in a cash shop (Im looking at you StarTrek Online). Considering Cryptic has finetuned that cashflow into boosting the game from "oh shit its gonna implode" to hiring more people to the team I dont think that is out of the question.
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No cash shop for ships at release or ever. They want you to earn the ships in game. The pledge store isn't a cash shop for ships either. It's a pledge store that gives you items like ships as a bonus.

Now that's not how a lot of people see it. They see it as a cash shop for ships. However the cash cost of any ship has little to no relation to how much effort it takes to earn it in game. Having said all this they do plan for a cash shop to purchase in game cash up to a limit per day. Based on the numbers thrown around and the cost of ships in other Christ Robert's games as an indication you could "buy" your second "tier" ship in about 10-15 days if you purchased the maximum amount of game cash per day. Or earn it in a month. That will be interesting to see them balance.

STO is a sad cash machine. I should know. I got sucked into that. However earning every base ships there only takes a month at most. None of them are any good. You must spend real money to get any decent ship. In SC they estimate you should take 6 months to earn enough for a Constellation. STO is a horrible example for comparison. It's better to compare it to EvE. I would call it EvE-Lite. Hopefully we get less of it's negatives and more of it's positives.

As for server costs. Chris rightly points out the industry hoodwinked everyone into thinking it's some sort of money pit where most of your cash goes. In fact it costs more for bandwidth or any number of other logistics. What I'm saying is many here way overestimate the costs of keeping things running.

Having said all this he could turn around and go another way with ships. What a monumental shitstorm that would cause. So far the only thing they went back on is the claims about limited ship sales. They admit they caved to fans begging them non-stop to put them back up. If you seen the forums it has pissed off a lot of people but if you look at the pledge numbers you can see a ton of people don't give a rats ass. And neither do I.
 
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