Star Trek: Discovery

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Another thing that bugged me was, this first crew was to be at least 7 years together... they seemed like they just got together... but whatever.

Also the klingon timeline is a bit...odd... so whats with 100 years, yet they where blowing up vulcan training pods and her parents in the past 15-25ish years?

also is ep3 tonight?
 
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Not to nitpick to much, but if you remember back to alot of the conversations and themes running through DS9, the Klingon's fears are pretty fucking apt, without in my mind being some allegory for white nationalism etc, (i accept that is probably why they choose this) but it does fit within the themes set before. The Federation is a Space CaliforYork. Cultural distinction absolutely is washed away in the "we come in peace join us" Smarm Borg.
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Ugh. Third episode hasn't helped to alleviate my concerns. Main character still sucks balls at acting. I do already like the captain of the Discovery, so there's that.

The demogorgan or whatever, and the subtle micro virus misdirection leading to a blink drive like scenario from Dark Matter... Which is also subtly like the biocells from Voyager. Just seems like too much bullshit that's hard to chew. The entro and situation was fine, but they just took like five steps too far into the wtf direction for it to be fun, believable, understandable, reasonable, or congruent.

Still watching, because God dammit.
 
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Oh, I kept saying, "What the fuck is that tribble noise?" throughout the entire episode, and then BAM. There the little shit is, sitting on the Captain's counter like NBD. Fuck this stupid show.
 
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Lorca is clearly a whackjob. At least this explains why one of the main characters is a fungus researcher.

I'm going to assume the prison shuttle never makes it to it's destination in order to cover up Burnham's continued place on Discovery. This is based on Saru's death-antenae activating as he watches the shuttle go to warp.
 
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Oh, I kept saying, "What the fuck is that tribble noise?" throughout the entire episode, and then BAM. There the little shit is, sitting on the Captain's counter like NBD. Fuck this stupid show.
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I thought I was having auditory hallucinations. Thanks for verifying, I was kind of half assed watching.

Read an article on I think i09 that if there is a season 2, it probably will not come out until 2019. Marketing forced their hand to get this going as soon as possible. It is almost as if someone that calls the shots wants to drive this IP into the ground.
 
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3rd episode confirms I would rather have an Axanar fan film and a series set in a different time frame.
 
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I also forgot about the frakking Cylon. Thought she'd be interesting but she's just more dead weight, just like she was on BSG, serving no other purpose than to drive Chief into a murder machine, fucking up "The Plan".
 
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IMHO it made sense in the DS9 timeline because the context was organic, unpacked, and made sense. It also wasn't part of the show's main plotline.

They could have done it in a way that actually made sense and was a bit more subtle. Having the beginning and the end of the Klingon's reasoning being "We no race mix" and "Klingons are pure" with no supporting history as to *why* they feel this way, then throw in the fact that they haven't even seen a human in 100 years makes literally no sense. Maybe they will unpack it more in future episodes, but for now it just comes off as a weak political jab.
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Exactly. The problem with writers who want to write about these themes (Racism, xenophobia ect), is not that the stories they want to tell are bad, it's that they are bad at telling them. They literally see NO redeeming qualities among the "bad" guys, they see no internal logic or reasoning or history that has lead them to being "bad". They simply believe their entire outlook is born from ignorance and thus MUST be as simplistic as "we don't like this because we're scared of things we don't understand!"

In order to write these allegories as compelling, like with DS9--you really have to get into the heads of the people you don't like, and try to understand why they feel the way they do. Without that, it's just a bunch of people fighting an unreasonable douche bag; and as Marvel films have shown, you CAN make a decent story like that, if you have really compelling protagonists and the "villain" is just a backdrop--but if you plan on having the antagonist be a major part of your story, you better be able to make the audience empathize with his plight, even if they disagree with it. (And stories that do this always wind up being the better stories--going back to Marvel, it's why Superhero stories that pit superheroes against each other do so well--you usually end up having two well reasoned desires/needs, with good internal logical from well developed characters, clashing.)
 
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Eh, I though the first two were pretty iffy, but I liked the third one.

I'll agree the show is pretty much a 'fuck you' to the existing Star Trek aesthetic though - the captain is obviously a dangerous lunatic, which is nothing new for trek - Kirk was basically a menace to society - but he's also a deceitful and malicious dangerous lunatic, which is pretty much against everything the original series stood for.
 
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Pretty much sums it. The politics starts at about 7:20. The videos on why this show sucks, are better than the show.

Yeah... no thx. Will bootleg some day when I run out of porn.
 
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OK. So. This series makes a fuck load more sense, when you realize this is literally the beginnings of Section 31. It explains why they're off in the middle of no where, why they've transfered Michael Burnham's character without authorization, why they're performing illegal, and illicit activities, why they destroyed a ship without notifying anyone, why they're sporting black uniforms and insignia, why the fucking ship has gaps in the sauce section like the secret ship in Into Darkness, why the crew member transporting the shuttle is tossed by the wayside, why the shuttles in the bay look wildly different, why the captain is fucking weird and crazy as shit, why they even snagged Burnham's character to begin with, why the designation of the ship is FUCKING N C C 1 0 3 1. SECTION 31 MY Kangs. Suddenly I'm way less annoyed with the absurdity. Section 31 has always been belligerent, and never abided by star fleet regulations. Would also explain why literally everything they do isn't recorded, or expressed in future series. Mother fucker. It's fucking brilliant.

It still doesn't make me feel like the main character, Michael Burnham, isn't any less of a piece of shit, try hard, waste of space for an actor, but HOLY SHIT does it make me way more interested in the plot.
 
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Captain Lorca is fucking insane, it fits with the mantra of every Section 31 character before. The fucker even has a Gorn skeleton in his lab, and a cardassian pet carcass. The subtlety is way too heavy, for star trek, but good God damn.
 
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That would be entirely too good. Based on everything everyone involved in the show has said in interviews I'd be surprised if they had ever heard of section 31 but maybe they played everyone.
 
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Huh. I assumed they were working on cloaking or genesis. Event Horizon was a pleasant surprise.
 
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a c i d.f l y said:
OK. So. This series makes a fuck load more sense, when you realize this is literally the beginnings of Section 31. It explains why they're off in the middle of no where, why they've transfered Michael Burnham's character without authorization, why they're performing illegal, and illicit activities, why they destroyed a ship without notifying anyone, why they're sporting black uniforms and insignia, why the fucking ship has gaps in the sauce section like the secret ship in Into Darkness, why the crew member transporting the shuttle is tossed by the wayside, why the shuttles in the bay look wildly different, why the captain is fucking weird and crazy as shit, why they even snagged Burnham's character to begin with, why the designation of the ship is FUCKING N C C 1 0 3 1. SECTION 31 MY Kangs. Suddenly I'm way less annoyed with the absurdity. Section 31 has always been belligerent, and never abided by star fleet regulations. Would also explain why literally everything they do isn't recorded, or expressed in future series. Mother fucker. It's fucking brilliant.

It still doesn't make me feel like the main character, Michael Burnham, isn't any less of a piece of shit, try hard, waste of space for an actor, but HOLY SHIT does it make me way more interested in the plot.
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Guy posts batshit political rant about STD = BLM and Soros and White Genocide and okay I didn't watch much of it but what in the fuck is up with that guy.

Meanwhile, the show has a BLACK CONVICT with poor decision making skills as the central protagonist. Checktard libmates.
 
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Oooh ooh I have a better one.

They should call the biological teleport research "Project Abrams"
 
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