Star Trek: Picard

Arbitrary said:

Star Trek's message is in direct opposition to modern identity politics.

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This is true. Some of what irks the anti-SJW crowd is because what used to be actual social justice, is now considered racism; combine that with the utter hypocrisy behind the ideological standards and you get a lot of frustration because it does actively cause cognitive dissonance--people won't just forget that 4 legs good, 2 legs bad when you decide to shove in there "sometimes 2 legs BETTER!". Which is kind of how you got a forum of most long time Liberals who now hate social justice messaging, and IMO is also part of the cause of the bad writing. Cognitive dissonance is a hell of a thing and if you can ignore it, it makes you pretty irrational. And in Hollywood, there is some wholesale ignoring of how their ideology is sheering away from reality--and its coming through in their work.

OG Trek was also presenting their messages during a time when there were actual serious societal problems those messages were addressing, not this contemporary tilting at windmill bullshit which is what I mean whenever I use the term SJW.

Where can i stream this cause I sure as fuck aint paying for CBS All access.

Much as I think a lot of you guys focus way too much on this sjw shit, I found Stewart's comments pretty disappointing. Discovery was dumb, this looked cool I was excited for it. The last thing I want in my progressive futurism is to fucking hear about Trump again. For fucks sake, I'd pay extra for a tv service just to not have to hear about this motherfucker every second of every day. So instead of the promise of finally moving the timeline forward and exploring new possibilities we get another tired fascism allegory. trek was always progressive, and Stewart was always a lefty, there are interviews with him in the 90s decrying the Iraq and Faulkland wars and the tyrannical leadership of our countries. That's all cool, be as political as you want, but let me have my goddamn sci fi without this.

That's the whole appeal of the fucking show, a future in which we have transcended modern bullshit problems and are exploring the universe. It's not surprising that he lost sight of that but it is surprising that the people making it did.

Anywho, when is the next season of The Orville out?

There seems to be a lot of judgement about this series before even a single episode is released.

Qhue said:

There seems to be a lot of judgement about this series before even a single episode is released.

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“Picard” finds its hero living in near-isolation on a very un-cosmic French vineyard. He is retired and estranged from Starfleet, the interstellar navy to which he devoted most of his life. He’s haunted by a pair of catastrophes, one personal, the other societal — the death of his android colleague Lt. Cmdr. Data (as seen in “Nemesis”) and a refugee crisis spawned by the destruction of the planet Romulus (as seen in Abrams’ “Star Trek”). When those two seemingly disparate strands of his life cross, Picard returns to action, this time without the backing of a Starfleet whose moral center has shifted.

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The new show, Stewart says, “was me responding to the world of Brexit and Trump and feeling, ‘Why hasn’t the Federation changed? Why hasn’t Starfleet changed?’ Maybe they’re not as reliable and trustworthy as we all thought.”

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"Space Trump demonizes shifty, untrustworthy Romulan refugees in bid for power" is the vibe I'm getting from the promotional interviews but there's always the hope that Stewart's seeing more than what's there.

Imagine if TOS constantly going on and on about Space Richard Nixon and the Space Vietnam War or Space Bill Clinton was a recurring character on TNG. They would have been dated out of the gate. I want the show to be good but it looks heavy on the action and politics and light on the Picard solving problems with words.

Qhue said:

There seems to be a lot of judgement about this series before even a single episode is released.

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Because if this forum gets a whiff of anything approaching a world view that doesn't conform to "god emperor Trump", they begin to Reeee and thrash about in pain.

Space Bill Clinton was already a thing. Riker fucked a lot right?

Cybsled said:

Because if this forum gets a whiff of anything approaching a world view that doesn't conform to "god emperor Trump", they begin to Reeee and thrash about in pain.

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Look man, I hate Trump like nobody's business, fuck that guy.

This still sounds bad. Core concept is a departure from traditional Star Trek values and themes in order to say something about modern day political movements that doesn't need to be said and is antithetical to the entire idea of Star Trek.

When it comes out, maybe this is all overblown, maybe Stewart was just talking shit, maybe it recaptures TNG and moves the ball forward on a progressive vision of the possibilities of humanity in the future. Sure the fuck doesn't sound like it, though.

7of9 spinoff when

chaos said:

Look man, I hate Trump like nobody's business, fuck that guy.

This still sounds bad. Core concept is a departure from traditional Star Trek values and themes in order to say something about modern day political movements that doesn't need to be said and is antithetical to the entire idea of Star Trek.

When it comes out, maybe this is all overblown, maybe Stewart was just talking shit, maybe it recaptures TNG and moves the ball forward on a progressive vision of the possibilities of humanity in the future. Sure the fuck doesn't sound like it, though.

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Then we watch the show and make judgement. All this internet detective shit always makes a mountain of a molehill

The idea that calling Romulans shifty and untrustworthy makes you space Trump is a pretty glaring sign of SJW brain rot.

Cybsled said:

Then we watch the show and make judgement. All this internet detective shit always makes a mountain of a molehill

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i hope so. But i don't think it's unreasonable,given that Discovery sucked, to dig into the show a bit before it airs. There's a difference, I think, in trying to nostrodumbass the behind the scenes machinations from pure speculation and reading what the creators/stars have actually stated.

Gavinmad said:

The idea that calling Romulans shifty and untrustworthy makes you space Trump is a pretty glaring sign of SJW brain rot.

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Wasn't Vulcan also destroyed in this timeline? Curious why it only mentions the destruction of Romulus as causing some sort of immigration issue.

Merrith said:

Wasn't Vulcan also destroyed in this timeline? Curious why it only mentions the destruction of Romulus as causing some sort of immigration issue.

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Different continuities. Romulus gets destroyed, Nero travels back in time and destroys Vulcan.