Tea Time and Trotsky Talk with Tolan

If only Tolan had ever actually read Trotsky.

DickTrickle said:

These feels so much like a classic Tanoomba-Hodj shitfest. Time is a flat circle.

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LOL oh man, that's actually grossly unfair to Tanoomba. Hodj is my Wakandan so we cool.

I mean, Tanoomba obviously put in way more effort than Tolan. But that's mostly the reason he's banned and Tolan isn't.

khorum said:

You're a fucking retard. Always have been since the last time you got laughed out of the politics thread for the vapid shit you were spewing.

Tolan just threw that out to squirm out of his own facial diarrhea about whether Bernie's message is negated by his hypocrisy. Which it absolutely does, because between his wife defrauding state colleges and his exorbitant book tours he's undermining his own message as INCOME INEQUALITY as the MORAL ISSUE OF OUR TIME.

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Yea, I'm the retard - someone that doesn't understand that you don't need to be a pauper to advocate for the poor. That you can actually push to help for others rather than yourself.

You've got a hard-on against Bernie I get it (I don't really care about him either way - a bit too "Pie in the Sky" for me... plus probably too old to see his ideas through even if they weren't) - but the number of politicians that would qualify for your litmus is around... 1%, maybe even less than 1%.

But because of your hard-on, you want him to be held to a far different standard.

Bleach Drinker said:

what's truly funny is the best example of empathy outpouring was the live aid concert to aid starving africans, because they were all emotionally manipulated people involved and no rational thinking they actually prolonged civil wars in africa and caused more suffering in the long run, precisely for the reason you say people "DON'T THINK IN THAT MANNER", maybe they should vaclav, maybe they should think that way more.

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The problem with that had nothing to do with them not being in their immediate shoes, it had everything to do with sending to food blindly without following up or proper thinking into the logistics of it.

Tolan said:

American economic injustice.

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There you go with that cult-talk again.

Vaclav said:

Yea, I'm the retard - someone that doesn't understand that you don't need to be a pauper to advocate for the poor. That you can actually push to help for others rather than yourself.

You've got a hard-on against Bernie I get it (I don't really care about him either way - a bit too "Pie in the Sky" for me... plus probably too old to see his ideas through even if they weren't) - but the number of politicians that would qualify for your litmus is around... 1%, maybe even less than 1%.

But because of your hard-on, you want him to be held to a far different standard.

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Khorum doesn't have a hard on for Bernie. That would be him focusing on people rather than ideas which is what Jon Oliver and the small minds at the TDS Group do at Comedy Central. He has a hard on for socialism and how it starves people to death by the millions in the name of 'helping poor people' and has been for over 100 years now. The best you can come up with to criticize Bernie is that he's 'pie in the sky' and too old to implement his ideas?

Homie, he's a cookie-cutter socialist and probably hasn't had an original idea in his entire life, and as we've already proven he could live for another century and we'd still never 'see his ideas through'.

You're focused on defending the octogenarian who says he wants to help poor people because how in the world could such a sweet old man be wrong? You don't know the answer to this, and/or think there isn't one, and so you think that what must be happening instead is that khorum is evil and has an 'evil hard-on' (are you also a feminist by-chance?).

Socialism absolutely requires the feelings-based manipulation of ignorant people in order to propagate itself. It can't compete in the marketplace of ideas so instead it calls the marketplace a force of evil and then goes on the appeal to everyone's fee-fees. That's the real Bernie. He is openly deserving of derision and criticism because if we let his types take charge, we will see the shining city on the hill burnt to the ground in a rage of postmodern fee-fees where two plus two can equal five just so long as it is part of your 'lived experiences'.

You're apologizing for a rich socialist clap trap. I hope one day you figure out just how fucking cringe that is.

AngryGerbil said:

Khorum doesn't have a hard on for Bernie. That would be him focusing on people rather than ideas which is what Jon Oliver and the small minds at the TDS Group do at Comedy Central. He has a hard on for socialism and how it starves people to death by the millions in the name of 'helping poor people' and has been for over 100 years now. The best you can come up with to criticize Bernie is that he's 'pie in the sky' and too old to implement his ideas?

Homie, he's a cookie-cutter socialist and probably hasn't had an original idea in his entire life, and as we've already proven he could live for another century and we'd still never 'see his ideas through'.

You're focused on defending the octogenarian who says he wants to help poor people because how in the world could such a sweet old man be wrong? You don't know the answer to this, and/or think there isn't one, and so you think that what must be happening instead is that khorum is evil and has an 'evil hard-on' (are you also a feminist by-chance?).

Socialism absolutely requires the feelings-based manipulation of ignorant people in order to propagate itself. It can't compete in the marketplace of ideas so instead it calls the marketplace a force of evil and then goes on the appeal to everyone's fee-fees. That's the real Bernie. He is openly deserving of derision and criticism because if we let his types take charge, we will see the shining city on the hill burnt to the ground in a rage of postmodern fee-fees where two plus two can equal five just so long as it is part of your 'lived experiences'.

You're apologizing for a rich socialist clap trap. I hope one day you figure out just how fucking cringe that is.

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Strawman much? I don't like socialist ideals for the most part. Healthcare is about the only place I see it making sense beyond the structure we already have. (Or even better - Singapore model IMO - I prefer hybrid systems when possible)

As I even said in your quoted post, I don't really like Bernie. But the political purity litmus he's using would be a fail on almost every politician, including the person he uses as a fucking avatar.

See the problem with being fringe like both of you idiots are is you see everyone as the enemy, including the middle ground like myself. I know you kids are too young to remember the politics of the 80's well but it was a great time when both sides were presenting ideas that came to a great middle ground instead of this "all or nothing" nonsense that has permeated politics for around 20 years now. Reagan is sainted as he is because the great legislation that came out during his time was the result of COMPROMISES not "all or nothing".

Voices like his are important to involve in discussion, but not with higher weight than anyone else - a round table with Bernie and Paul Ryan (or if you've got a better extreme right to use, feel free) to represent the extremes with people peppered in between IF ANY WOULD COMPROMISE on something would come to a better solution than any one of them left on their own to draft something. It's how our government was designed to function for Christ's sake.

Sorry Tolan. You misread it or he mistyped. The l in cult-talk was meant to be an n.

Spent the last ten minutes looking for a Thanos with young Gamora picture after he snaps.

Did you support Marxism?

Yes

What did it cost?

Everything.

Vaclav said:

Strawman much? I don't like socialist ideals for the most part. Healthcare is about the only place I see it making sense beyond the structure we already have. (Or even better - Singapore model IMO - I prefer hybrid systems when possible)

As I even said in your quoted post, I don't really like Bernie. But the political purity litmus he's using would be a fail on almost every politician, including the person he uses as a fucking avatar.

See the problem with being fringe like both of you idiots are is you see everyone as the enemy, including the middle ground like myself. I know you kids are too young to remember the politics of the 80's well but it was a great time when both sides were presenting ideas that came to a great middle ground instead of this "all or nothing" nonsense that has permeated politics for around 20 years now. Reagan is sainted as he is because the great legislation that came out during his time was the result of COMPROMISES not "all or nothing".

Voices like his are important to involve in discussion, but not with higher weight than anyone else - a round table with Bernie and Paul Ryan (or if you've got a better extreme right to use, feel free) to represent the extremes with people peppered in between IF ANY WOULD COMPROMISE on something would come to a better solution than any one of them left on their own to draft something. It's how our government was designed to function for Christ's sake.

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I'm fine with compromise. I supported gay marriage and I'm fine with a third bathroom if the market requires one. But there is no compromise with mathematics. You can not sit down with the number 2 and make it have a nice conversation with the number 3 and have them agree that combined, they equal 6.

'Free Shit' is a socialist promising you that he will get 0 to work with 1 and together they will agree that 0=1. Then they will proceed to hand out 0's and tell you that they are 1's. And you will agree with them that the 0's you are getting are actually 1's. You've compromised. You're advanced. You're ahead of the curve.

Other things that are not up for compromise include free speech and the right to bear arms. If you can't see that Bernie is nothing more than a point-man for the wave of crazy authoritarian postmodern Leftist fee-fee shit happening in Europe, Asia, and Canada then you need to read deeper into the history of this idea that Bernie obediently parrots and wants us all to 'compromise' on.

In order to make 0=1 they have to be allowed to alter the linguistic territory and so this is what happens next, after the 1's are promised and the elections are won based on this promise. Because a commune of devourers does not produce nearly the number of 1's that an emergent civilization of free individuals does, the 1's have to be made up for in the psychological and linguistic realms. They have to make you say that 0=1. You will be commanded to disregard the scientific method and say that 0=1. This is what is happening with Bill C-16 in Canada. It is the State commanding you, in service of socialism, to say that male gametes and female gametes are the exact same things. This is in service of 'Social Justice', which is a rebranding of Marxism to act on the cultural and academic realms rather than the economic.

They enforce this entire psychological new-math infrastructure with a concept described by Orwell as 'Thought Crime'. This is where the modern day Equity and Diversity committees come in, in service of socialism, to scan the corporate and academic landscape for wrong-thinking by way of what they now call 'unconscious bias'. "Comrade, we have agreed that 0=1 because everything is equal and hierarchy in nature does not exist. The destruction of language is a beautiful thing." Lindsay Shepherd is currently suining her school for millions for their attempt to Room 101 her last November.

Bernie is merely a dumb old man spouting platitudes because he and his entire constituency probably have next to no idea the destructive power of the forces they are 'compromising' with.

Was Neville Chamberlain on the Right or Wrong side of history?