Tolan
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Now you’re just boomeranging back around to your straw-man by introducing a “his solidarity with the poor” straw-man sidekick. Bernie never claimed he was going to be Gandhi.
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Tea Time and Trotsky Talk with Tolan
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khorum
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You're a fucking retard. Always have been since the last time you got laughed out of the politics thread for the vapid shit you were spewing.
Tolan just threw that out to squirm out of his own facial diarrhea about whether Bernie's message is negated by his hypocrisy. Which it absolutely does, because between his wife defrauding state colleges and his exorbitant book tours he's undermining his own message as INCOME INEQUALITY as the MORAL ISSUE OF OUR TIME.
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Tolan
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Even if any of that we’re true, it wouldn’t undermine the message. The message would still be true.
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khorum
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What strawman was I boomeranging back to, Tolan?
Bernie not only claims to be a dishevelled, independent champion of the poors, you asked if his ONE-PERCENTER income negates his "message". Well his message is this:
Bernie Sanders said:
That's his gandhi-like "message" you were referring to in the question I responded to:
If "wealth and income inequality" is the GREAT MORAL ISSUE of our time, then how is it moral for a man to earn 1000% of poverty level in the USA? That's Bernie's message Tolan, it's appeal to moral authority and yes, it is ___ABSOLUTELY___ negated by his hypocrisy.
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Tolan
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khorum
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LMFAO what was that "original one" then? It's as straightforward an exchange as it could get. You asked this:
And I showed you that YES, since Bernie's "MESSAGE" is that "The issue of wealth and income inequality is the great moral issue of our time " then by his own estimation a man who earns 1000% of the poverty level in the United States, and thus belonging in the top 1% of earners that Bernie constantly demonizes, would be IMMORAL----and thus his own actions would negate his message.
Can you show us all the strawman in that argument? That's Bernie's "message", and sure enough that's Bernie's $1.1million/year top-one-percenter income. I don't need a strawman bludgeon when it's right there for all to see: by his own standards Bernie is an immoral hypocrite on the "wrong side of history", and yeah that negates his message.
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Tolan
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You know, the funny thing about straw-men, my friend, is that no matter how tall you build them, once objectively recognized as a straw-man, drop a single lit match of truth on its pinky toe...
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This thread is showing me we might have a final solution for Tolan being loose in the politics thread.
If he's here and posting in the shaw, he's happy. If he's not posting in politics, everyone else is happy. Win/win.
Now to build the walls on the shaw just a little bit higher.
If he's here and posting in the shaw, he's happy. If he's not posting in politics, everyone else is happy. Win/win.
Now to build the walls on the shaw just a little bit higher.
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You know, the funny thing about straw-men, my friend, is that no matter how tall you build them, once objectively recognized as a straw-man, drop a single lit match of truth on its pinky toe...
And please show us this "objectively-recognized" strawman, you colossal retard. The only thing you've "objectively" shown is how you have no fucking idea what a strawman fallacy is to begin with. It was a simple argument and I'll keep going back to it until you show us where your "strawman" is. Neither of us can edit posts here so that should be SUPER EASY. But in case people don't feel like scrolling up past pages of your evasions here's the utter stupidity you keep trying to squirm out of:
And I showed you that YES, "his message" is that "The issue of wealth and income inequality is the great moral issue of our time " and that anyone in that "top 1% of earners" are complicit in that immorality----and so by his own standards Bernie's $1.1m income as a top 1-percenter undermines his assumed moral authority and negates his HIS MESSAGE as hypocrisy.
What strawmen was there Tolan? You posed a question and I confronted it directly.
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khorum
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LOL WTF? LLR is one of the most lenient mods around here.
Is your understanding of "nazi" as complete as your understanding of strawmen?
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Tolan
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Oh sure, Khorum. Good try begging the audience to not bother looking at the conversation history.
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Tolan
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He censors people solely on not agreeing with their views. A defined fascist.
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khorum
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LOL why don't you link up some highlights of what you felt they might have missed.
Start with all the "strawmen" you insist I employed while destroying your vacuous faggotry.
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Tolan
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It’s all non-editable, to your (only?) point. They can go ahead and read from the beginning to discover the truth.
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khorum
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No he doesn't. He shawed people for breaking the rules and disrupting on-topic discussions they disagreed with. Which is precisely what FEELS-DRIVEN fucks like you do when confronted with uncomfortable facts.
Besides "censorship" isn't a defining feature of Fascism, quite the contrary CENSORSHIP and dogmatic restrictions on free speech remain the central governing principles of SOCIALISTS today from China to the United Kingdom.
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Tolan
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He makes up nazi rules as he goes along, to which he alludes just a few posts ago.
Are you regretting summoning him to this discussion to mic-drop all of your gaslit posts yet?
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khorum
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Even better, since you've obviously resorted to your usual tactic of sliding threads down with shitty one-liners to bury your unfailing capacity for embarassing faceplants, I'll just repost the salient posts. Here's one:
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LMFAO what was that "original one" then? It's as straightforward an exchange as it could get. You asked this:
And I showed you that YES, since Bernie's "MESSAGE" is that "The issue of wealth and income inequality is the great moral issue of our time " then by his own estimation a man who earns 1000% of the poverty level in the United States, and thus belonging in the top 1% of earners that Bernie constantly demonizes, would be IMMORAL----and thus his own actions would negate his message.
Can you show us all the strawman in that argument? That's Bernie's "message", and sure enough that's Bernie's $1.1million/year top-one-percenter income. I don't need a strawman bludgeon when it's right there for all to see: by his own standards Bernie is an immoral hypocrite on the "wrong side of history", and yeah that negates his message.
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You STILL haven't shown us where the "strawman" was at any point in the whole arc of that discussion Tolan. C'mon you got a whole month in here.
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what's truly funny is the best example of empathy outpouring was the live aid concert to aid starving africans, because they were all emotionally manipulated people involved and no rational thinking they actually prolonged civil wars in africa and caused more suffering in the long run, precisely for the reason you say people "DON'T THINK IN THAT MANNER", maybe they should vaclav, maybe they should think that way more.
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