The Big Bad Console Thread - Sway your Station with an Xboner !

Zuuljin

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God that's true. MS servers get attacked and no one can play any games for however long it takes to get the servers under control, or like the Sony mess, no one would be able to play for 2 months.Fan-fucking-tastic.
 

Hekotat

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Doesn't Destiny require an always on connection? I can't remember the specifics from unveiling video.
 

meStevo

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Stuff from an 'anon insider'http://www.vgleaks.com/rumor-durango...-pastebin-doc/

tl;dr: Durango may have a 360 SOC, run any app in the Windows 8 store, OS is a version of (or IS) WinRT and anyone who pays the $60 license fee for the Windows Store can publish apps/games.

So yes, I originally made a post on pastebin that I then posted on IGN that has now mysteriously vanished from the internet. I'm guessing good 'ol Don wasn't too happy.

In that pastebin post I said I wouldn't be saying anything else, but that was before a few things changed. So yeah.. #dealwithit.

That IGN post (that referenced the pastebin post) was also posted on NeoGAF. Though it didn't get much attention.

In that pastebin post I specifically mentioned that I was a GAF member, but that I would not be outing myself on GAF for fear of losing my job. And I still will not be doing that. I'm not an idiot.
However since the reveal is pretty close now, I thought I'd just come out and tell you everything I know. No more cryptic bullshit, just facts.

First of all, for any of the GAF members reading this (or anyone else for that matter) that actually believed the online-required rumor, well.. you're either stupid, very gullible, or a fanboy. Reading the posts some of you made over the past few weeks leads me to believe that mostly fanboyism was involved. So, I'll make this very clear:

You are not required to be connected to the internet in order to play Durango games and MS were NEVER considering doing such a thing. Now please, just read that last sentence over and over again until it sinks in. Done? Good.

Now that I've got that out of the way I can talk about the real details.
First, I'll admit some things that I originally hinted at in the first pastebin are now not going to happen. Mainly the April 18th date (obviously) and the HMD glasses. The date, as you may know by now was pushed back to May, and the glasses, well, although they're kind of working are going to spend a bit longer in the oven.

Ok, moving on. Have you read the VGLeaks article about the Durango specs? Yes? Good because everything you read in that article was 100% correct. Except, for one tiny little detail that MS kept guarded from most devs until very recently. That detail being that every Durango ships with a Xbox 360 SOC.

There was a reason why MS hired so many former IBM and AMD employees. I'll admit I'm not an electrical engineer (I'm in software) so I won't pretend to know the ins and outs of how the 360 SOC integrates into the Durango motherboard. All I know, and all I need to know about this new change is that I (or a game dev) can use the 360 SOC in parallel with the original Durango hardware.

What does this mean in basic terms? Well, apart from Durango having 100% BC with the 360, it also increases Durango's processing power a fair amount.

Ok, so what else?

Kinect 2.0: - Again the specs from VGLeaks are correct, there's been no change and there won't be. However, the fact is, is that software can do ANYTHING, and with the quite substantial increase in the hardware over Kinect 1.0, any humanly noticeable lag should be gone

Controller: - The controller is pretty much the same. The D-Pad has been improved, but the change will only be noticeable when actually using it, i.e. it looks exactly the same, I haven't actually touched it, this is just what I've been told. AA batteries will make a return, but the new wireless tech MS has created for the controller, improves battery life by 16%. Again, this is just what the doc says.

Xbox Mini/Xbox TV: Yes, this is happening, although as far as I know, it's a whole different team over at MS that are handling this. As has been reported its main purpose is to compete with Apple TV, so expect this thing to be small and around $100.
It contains the 360 SOC (similar to the one in the Durango), however no disc drive is included (to decrease size). But of course you can still play any XBLA/Games on Demand game. That's all I really know about the xTV so I'll leave it at that. Thurrott seems to know more than anyone else about this, so go ask him.

OS/Services: I wish I knew more about this, but I honestly don't. I have no clue what sort of new ideas MS are going to bring to the table this gen, but I'm certainly expecting them to amaze.
The only thing that I do know for definite is that Durango will be running Windows 8. It will essentially be the full version of the OS, minus the desktop side of things. This means it'll be running the new WinRT framework, which as a side effect also means that contrary to popular belief MS will be the most indie friendly of all the big 3 next gen.
This is because any app/game that is created for the Windows app store will (after adding controller support of course) be playable on Durango.
In other words, any random person worldwide can pay Microsoft a $60 license fee (for the Windows Store) and submit their app/game to the store where millions of people can then download/buy it. No expensive development kits needed.
Expect to hear much more on WinRT - Durango at Build2013.

Ok, so that's pretty much it. I wish I had more info on specific games and services that MS have lined up, but it seems that even I'll have to wait until May to find out.
I'll look forward to this post appearing on GAF, where rest assured I'll be lurking. Hell, who knows I may even make a few posts.

I wonder how many people will refuse to believe this? Hmmmm..
A lot of this was rumored already, with some reasonable assumptions thrown in with a few not-as-reasonable.

Is it May yet?
 

Sean_sl

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Yeah, I'm not putting any stock in that post. The main thing that stuck out to me was "The X720 will be by far the most indie friendly machine blah blah blah." If that were evenremotelytrue then the indie community wouldn't be so vehemently anti-Microsoft and you can bet your ass some of the bigger indie developers would know about that part of it.Noneof them are backing MS for areason.

It running a Windows kernel is pretty big "duh," but that doesn't make any of that shit posted a real possibility. Microsoft would be actively courting indie developers if any that were the case and they just aren't.

A X360 SOC wouldn't surprise me, but I have my doubts. It's expensive and likely a nightmare to integrate properly. Sony dropped their PS2 SOCs off the PS3 manufacturing for good reason. However, it would also make the X720's supposed price tag of $500 Vs the PS4's rumored $400-430 make more sense, especially if the X720's much weaker GPU and RAM is true.
 

Wombat

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I don't buy it either. He starts off by saying "A bunch of stuff I said before is wrong, but this stuff is real, honest!", the language sounds petulant and fanboyish, and his claims go against all anecdotes - it's not always online (whereas an employee was fired defending the concept), development is great (virtually all indie devs disagree), and backwards compatability is no problem! (none of the leaks have mentioned it, its not like MS cared to any real degree last time, it adds significantly to the cost when they're already facing the costs of a Kinect 2).
 

Lenas

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It running a Windows kernel is pretty big "duh," but that doesn't make any of that shit posted a real possibility. Microsoft would be actively courting indie developers if any that were the case and they just aren't.
Not necessarily, they're trying to keep stuff under wraps. I bet 99% of indie devs don't know any more than we do. There's a lot of talk about them flocking to the PS4, but they're going to be right back on Microsoft's dick if it turns out to be true that anyone willing to pay $60 a year can publish games straight to Durango through the Windows Store. The potential market is orders of magnitude larger than PSN can offer.
 

Sean_sl

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Not necessarily, they're trying to keep stuff under wraps. I bet 99% of indie devs don't know any more than we do. There's a lot of talk about them flocking to the PS4, but they're going to be right back on Microsoft's dick if it turns out to be true that anyone willing to pay $60 a year can publish games straight to Durango through the Windows Store. The potential market is orders of magnitude larger than PSN can offer.
Orders of magnitude? Please don't abuse that measurement so badly. Being on the Windows App store means dick for "potential market" since Windows 8 marketshare is a joke and they can already make games on the PC completely free of any payment to Microsoft. The only thing it would do is make a cross-platform X720 version of games potentially more likely in addition to PS4/PC versions.
 

Lenas

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Put something on PSN and you gain access to PS4 owners, maybe PSP owners.

Put something in the Microsoft Store and with a single publish you get access to anyone and everyone that's bought a Windows tablet/laptop/desktop in the last year, plus all of the Durango owners, plus likely Windows Phone (see: Skulls of the Shogun).

Which seems more attractive as an Indie dev?
 

Sean_sl

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I'm not sure why but if all that stuff is true I'm going to laugh at sean.
Well, if all that stuff is true then you probably shouldn't be laughing too much, because the guy "confirmed" that the leaked X720 specs are true too, which isnota good thing. Current leaks put it as having a significantly less powerful GPU and much slower RAM and there's pretty much no fucking way I'd ever buy a single crossplatform title on a machine that's that much weaker and it would guarantee that I'd never have a use for a X720 unless Microsoft pulls out some worthwhile exclusives.
 

Lenas

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You are completely ignoring the fact that he said the 360 SOC would run in parallel to the Durango hardware, which gives it a significant power boost.
 

Tuco

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I'm really apprehensive about games actually leveraging a 360 soc in addition to whatever other processing the durango has.

bottom line: We don't know shit.
 

Sean_sl

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Put something on PSN and you gain access to PS4 owners, maybe PSP owners.

Put something in the Microsoft Store and with a single publish you get access to anyone and everyone that's bought a Windows tablet/laptop/desktop in the last year, plus all of the Durango owners, plus likely Windows Phone (see: Skulls of the Shogun).

Which seems more attractive as an Indie dev?
Again, irrelevant because Windows 8 device sales are a joke and it's going to be super rare that anyone does anything exclusive with Microsoft on any platform. If you honestly think most people are going to magically sell only through the Windows App store then your head is so far up Microsoft's ass that it's not worth reading anything you post ever again.

The most attractive option is developing for the PC outside of the app store, free of any charge, and having access to the Windows 7 and XP which make up pretty much the entire PC marketshare combined while Windows 8 is only a few percent. There's absolutely no incentive to make a Windows 8 only title. Most of these devs are making PC/Playstation games, btw,notPlaystation exclusives, and they've been saying that it's worthwhile to make games with Sony in addition to the massive PC market.

Also they're not only making PS4 games, if you actually paid attention to game announcements, there's a lot of PS3 versions of indie games being made.
 

ronne

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Because Xbox Live Gold I think. Which, admittedly, is pretty much bullshit.
 

Lenas

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Why all this hate for Microsoft?
Pay no mind. In a year's time Sean will still have both consoles and he will once again be racking up achievements on the 720 while his PS4 seldom gets used for whatever anime game he wants to play at the time.

And don't act like you don't give a shit about Windows 8 games Sean, you even maxed out achievements on Minesweeper, Mahjong and Solitaire.