The Big Bad Console Thread - Sway your Station with an Xboner !
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Abefroman
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Well that depends on a couple things. Can I at least sign into my Xbox account on a friends machine to play a game I brought over? You might be underestimating the amount of people that trade games with each other. Also wouldn't this destroy services like Gamefly or other places that you can rent games from?
Vaclav
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You think they're going to allow it without taking a major cut? It'll probably be sold to the "new owner" for $50 with the old owner getting a $25 credit and Xbox Live taking $25 profit off literally providing nothing new in the marketplace. (Not even a box or a manual - which to me is something I like that tangibleness of personally with my console stuff - I like being able to look at a wall full of cartridges and discs and know that they're always there for me to mess with. This version has a slippery slope into 'pure digital' that I don't like for non-PC)
So far the only thing I see that the PS4 is trouncing the Xbox on is GDDR5 RAM instead of GDDR3. Is there something I am missing here?
The video card that hasn't been directly outlined by MS yet?
These are my sources:
http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/21/x...s4-comparison/
http://mashable.com/2013/05/21/xbox-one-vs-ps4/
The video card that hasn't been directly outlined by MS yet?
These are my sources:
http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/21/x...s4-comparison/
http://mashable.com/2013/05/21/xbox-one-vs-ps4/
Are you being serious?
Better graphics, better physics, better AI, more stable frame rates - all that extra stuff.
Multiplatform third party games would look better and run better on the PS4, too, making it the console of choice for third party games.
Except you can also sell and buy games through Amazon, eBay, online forums (here in the UK, we have a massive second hand games market on theavforums.commarketplace), and a bunch of other places. Games rental services (http://www.lovefilm.com/) wouldn't work with the Xbox One, either.
That's a pretty huge loss.
Vaclav
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Quotes I've seen are "per console", assuming they're accurate, a second login for a system wouldn't work. Frankly, look at PS3's relatively friendly digital game qualifier and it ties a game DL to a console limit regardless of account logins - at one point it was 3 (or was it 5?) separate PS3s that could install from a single PS3 purchase across multiple consoles (generally expected for a single household but some abused it)
and that's been scaled down to 2 now.
Even in the unlikely event they allow it (and they're huge about not sharing your login on other Xbox's from their voice system - they even recommended not having the wife and I having our logins on the others when we still had two 360s on the phone!), I can guarantee it'll be a 2-3 install limit console wise at the most before they want a cut.
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Personally I have no idea why they are putting these Kinect and PS Eye / Move in these consoles. These things sell as novelty gadgets with lame software and then no one is able to make a decent game using them (that would not be better with a regular control scheme). No one could with the Eye Toy, no one could with the Wiimote or the Wii Balance board, no one could with Kinect, no one could with the PS Eye and no one could with the PS Move (Hell! No one even could with the Sixaxis!). It has never been an issue of installed base, because right from the Eye Toy days they sold millions of these things. It has everything to do with the fact motion control is poor control.
If you really want to make an argument for their inclusion, I guess you could say that these devices seduced primarily the mythical 'casual gamers' and, as a result, devs only tried to make 'children/family/party/casual games' for them. So now, if you package them with every units, maybe you will get devs really trying to make good use of them in 'real games'... but I don't believe it for one second. Not only because multi-platform games will only make gimmicky uses of each console's very own device, but also because all these 'children/family/party/casual games' have been a giant laboratory of interactive potential and just about nothing worth enduring longer than the span of a mini-game has emerged. That's a long 10 years of failed experiments!
If you really want to make an argument for their inclusion, I guess you could say that these devices seduced primarily the mythical 'casual gamers' and, as a result, devs only tried to make 'children/family/party/casual games' for them. So now, if you package them with every units, maybe you will get devs really trying to make good use of them in 'real games'... but I don't believe it for one second. Not only because multi-platform games will only make gimmicky uses of each console's very own device, but also because all these 'children/family/party/casual games' have been a giant laboratory of interactive potential and just about nothing worth enduring longer than the span of a mini-game has emerged. That's a long 10 years of failed experiments!
Loser Araysar
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Bro that's the point. Xbox can already do all that.
These significant magical graphical improvements have never been there and never really panned out when comparing 2 consoles to each other. The only times it did pop up is towards the end of a console's life cycle when no one even gives a shit anymore
There are plenty of good games out there that harness the two devices quite well but aren't worth buying a separate accessory for. If it's built in you might see more of it in games since they aren't losing out by developing a game only for those with the accessory, everyone has one. It's not a bad move.
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this shit keeps on getting better and better
Kotaku: If I'm playing a single player game, do I have to be online at least once per hour or something like that? Or can I go weeks and weeks?
Harrison: I believe it's 24 hours.
Kotaku: I'd have to connect online once every day.
Harrison: Correct.
http://kotaku.com/xbox-one-does-requ...ay-o-509164109
Kotaku: If I'm playing a single player game, do I have to be online at least once per hour or something like that? Or can I go weeks and weeks?
Harrison: I believe it's 24 hours.
Kotaku: I'd have to connect online once every day.
Harrison: Correct.
http://kotaku.com/xbox-one-does-requ...ay-o-509164109
Vaclav
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There's some obvious ones right in your list - bluetooth alone is pretty goddamn nice to have for controllers, perhaps it's just the shitty wiring in my house - but bluetooth works reliably where ever I've set my PS3 for controllers keeping a connection but my 360's I kept having trouble getting a place that would reliably connect without occasional issues from being too close to an air vent (1950's Central Air ducts seem problematic from how much metal - WiFi gets deadspots from them as well).
And one opted against listing Ethernet which is big to me as the above should be clear - and I can't see any notes other than that summary that says X-1 has Ethernet which if the majority are accurate are ludicrous.
Additionally - on the video - why are they being so slow to even provide who manufactured their video chip? Skipping the specs can make sense - skipping the manufacturer just implies something questionable - like some new unknown provider. You tell us "its an unknown spec NVidia chip" that's one thing you tell us "its a ridiculously high powered chip made by a startup company called Jim's 3dFX redux" and we all roll our eyes and doubt heavily - they clearly know what chip they're using now to at least give people an idea of the quality to expect. Especially since we know 3d failing is a huge deal since it kills the system and 360 wasn't renowned for it's reliability.
Vaclav
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After the derecho last year I didn't have internet for a full week after the power came back on. If I was a X-1 only person and that quote is accurate I'd have been livid.
There's nothing secretive about the Xbone's GPU. They're getting the same APU (CPU/GPU combo chip) from AMD that the PS4 is, only less powerful (18 compute cores Vs. 12 compute cores) and they likely aren't doing as heavy a custom job on the bus to make it better as Sony is doing with the one they're getting.
The reason they're being so slow is because they know they have an inferior system power-wise and don't want to advertise it.
Vaclav
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Has that been officially stated anywhere though? I've always seen that as "We got this information... hint, hint..." stuff that doesn't always pan out completely accurately.
But of course that's another way that the lack of detailing it could be used, to prevent direct comparisons that look bad right off the bat, if it is accurate. It's a clear attempt at obfuscation of some sort.
Vaclav
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Beginning of the gen I'm sure they'll both hit 60 frames, but we've all seen that frame rates drop late in the generation - the end of the generation being 1080p x30-40 fps is definitely more comfortable than 1080p x20-30 fps.
Or more simply put - headroom matters. (Especially being lower-powered with always active multitasking - which no matter how low impact the multitasking will be it will have SOME impact while already being the slower dog in the race)
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Because Lenas' argument is that the X1 does everything the PS4 does and then some.
Except that we saw no signs of the sharing/broadcasting systems PS4 has (not that I would ever touch it), and (from the rumors that yet to be disputed), virtually every component in the system is worse than the PS4's.
So no, the accurate statement is that the X1 does way better multi-tasking (and I will give MS that - who knows what apps people will come up with 5 years down the line), Kinect2 is almost certainly more robust than the new Playstation Eye, and MS probably has the pocketbook advantage. Everything else is equal or worse than the PS4.