The Big Bad Console Thread - Sway your Station with an Xboner !

Vaclav

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How many times a year are you in the sticks where you can't get a connection and need to play Xbox?

Go get some fresh air
How many people have Comcast, or similar Comcast did it to us throughout most of 2010-11, where they've got 2 hrs downtime with their internet connection on an almost daily basis at times? For some people that's their entire gaming time every day if it lands on the wrong part of the day.
 

Loser Araysar

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After the derecho last year I didn't have internet for a full week after the power came back on. If I was a X-1 only person and that quote is accurate I'd have been livid.
You'd be livid that you couldn't play video games within days of major disaster?

Get some perspective bro.
 

Vaclav

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You'd be livid that you couldn't play video games within days of major disaster?

Get some perspective bro.
Was actually close to two weeks before we had internet back - took 6 days to get power back. And major disaster is LOL - the hurricane the year before was many times worse.
 

Loser Araysar

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This is their new slogan. Introducing the new Xbox One, go get some fresh air!
these are all preposterously ridiculous scenarios that gets people are faux raging over.

one guy is bitching that he cant play video games when he is on a business trip, in the boonies, hauling his xbox around. thats what, like fucking 0.0001 of the population doing it 0.001 of the time?

another one is complaining that he couldnt play his xbox right after a major disaster that knocked out his internet for a week? fucking really?

third one is talking about some mythical outages that comcast has where its down 2 hours every day that might fall exactly on your game time. i've had comcast about 3 years at my current place, i get maybe 2 outages a year, at most. i realize that's not everyone's experience but if you're living in a place where your internet is out 2 hours every day, you got bigger problems than not being able to play xbox. (p.s. that still leaves you 22 hours to collect to the xbox service in a day)
 

Lenas

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PS3/X360 have FPS and graphical differences all over the place that go both ways on both sides since each is better at different shit. Let's take something recent, like Mass Effect 3, where the X360 version runs mostly at a constant 30 FPS while the PS3 version regularly runs at 20.
Most devs atm seem to prefer developing for the 360 and porting to PS3 afterwards. If that remains the case, I'd say we can expect 30fps X1 games andmaybe40fps PS4 games. If devs do a 180 and start to prefer the PS4 coding this generation, you may be right. Only time will tell. I still maintain that there will be no noticeable differences unless you show them side by side, just like the last generation.
 

Szlia

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Eye of Judgemnt for the PS Eye
Killzone 3 did well on Move

Gunstringer for the Kinect

The dance games that were multi platform were actually a lot of fun.
A good effort, but I am not overly impressed by this list.

Eye of Judgment is certainly an interesting use of the device (card reading and augmented reality), but it's more of an enhancement to board games than to video games. It's possible to have the exact same gameplay without the camera (on a side note: there were collectible card games on the SNES using bar code readers - possibly on the NES too?).

Killzone 3 works with Move but works without the sore arm with DualShock 3.

The Gunstringer is lauded as the best Kinect game and yet, if it was played (as it could be) with two analog sticks and released as such it would be considered a travesty.

The dance games are a lot of fun, but once you played one it's game over, because all the other games are condemned to be fundamentally the same (Dance Central is an updated version of EyeToy: Groove). See music games using plastic instruments: great fun, great fun, great fun... and then they can't sell a game.
 

Vaclav

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Common or likely scenarios? No - but its taken something that isn't broken (CD checks) and replacing them with a ton more points of failure. It's not adding any improved value and creating new points of annoyance and disuse.

(Note: This is part of why you don't see me harping on the single owner bit very hard - I'm opposed, but say it comes with a lower MSRP to make up for it that's incredibly consumer and game publisher friendly versus how it currently looks publisher friendly only - it changes a model that already worked, but assuming other changes come in line with it, it could be good for the consumer)
 

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A good effort, but I am not overly impressed by this list.

Eye of Judgment is certainly an interesting use of the device (card reading and augmented reality), but it's more of an enhancement to board games than to video games. It's possible to have the exact same gameplay without the camera (on a side note: there were collectible card games on the SNES using bar code readers - possibly on the NES too?).

Killzone 3 works with Move but works without the sore arm with DualShock 3.

The Gunstringer is lauded as the best Kinect game and yet, if it was played (as it could be) with two analog sticks and released as such it would be considered a travesty.

The dance games are a lot of fun, but once you played one it's game over, because all the other games are condemned to be fundamentally the same (Dance Central is an updated version of EyeToy: Groove). See music games using plastic instruments: great fun, great fun, great fun... and then they can't sell a game.
The point is the tech is fine. The games aren't there because why build a game only 1/4 of the users will play because they aren't going to buy a $200 accessory for. If you make it included in the system though ...
 

eXarc

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How many times a year are you in the sticks where you can't get a connection and need to play Xbox?

Go get some fresh air
I do a lot of different work all across the board and the reason I happen to have to travel out to the sticks for the past five years was to take care of a very sick relative who just recently passed away. Now I have to travel out there to take care of the estate and figure out if I want to sell it or not, as well as to do some audio engineering work which makes the peaceful getaway an ideal place to get that kind of mentally intensive work done. Several other reasons. Point is, it happens a lot and even though it's less than before in the past couple of years - it's still an issue and it's more than 4 months a year. At a time. So it's a relatively good point in my opinion.

You're telling me to go get some fresh air but bro, I doubt you could last 4 months solid while having absolutely nothing around for an hour and having no sort of social interaction (because there are no people here I can socially relate to anyway) because it's a state park area. I own 15ish to 20ish acres of land outside of the estate and I am constantly outside, either hunting with my foxhound pup or fishing near the levee and decent bodies of water around. I get outside, but it gets old fucking quick man. That console is a fucking saint. That and a bottle of whiskey will save my sanity every so often.

Daezuel - "This is their new slogan. Introducing the new Xbox One, go get some fresh air!"

fucking lol.

I missed this truly retarded post when you changed your tone and point a bit.

Araysar - "one guy is bitching that he cant play video games when he is on a business trip, in the boonies, hauling his xbox around. thats what, like fucking 0.0001 of the population doing it 0.001 of the time?"

Uh, no. Look motherfucker. First of all I was completely rational when I even said I realize it doesn't revolve around me and my crazy unique scenario, but THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE. Second of all, it's more than a business trip - this is embedded into my lifestyle for months at a time. No shit I'm not a main portion of the gaming population with this problem, but I already addressed that point. Secondly, you mean to tell me you wouldn't care to play some video games in a 5 month span with nothing else to do? Stop talking right now because you know you're full of shit if you say you wouldn't give a fuck in the slightest. Maybe you can deal with the situation and embrace it, guess what? So can I, I'm a fucking adult and can appreciate a lot more in life than pixels and digital entertainment but that does not mean I should sacrifice it like a fucking scrub when it's completely needless to do so, so fuck off.

Oh, and on top of that I already added that I wouldn't mind in the least and I agree that the always on-line thing could be a cool feature if it simply fit into my current lifestyle. It doesn't. So far I have made zero complaints against what they are doing and giving no irrational or 'faux rage' towards anything they're doing. It's simply shitty that I have to give up my console of choice because of some of the new features. That's all I was saying.

And you think every valid complaint being brought into this argument against the always online feature is completely off the wall, never going to happen anywhere especially to you and BARELY happens to SOME people maybe once in a LIFETIME, ACT OF GOD kind of shit? You're insane. You've had 3 people post 3 valid issues, while I agree aren't super important in the big picture of Microsoft's profits, maybe but 3 issues already within 10 minutes of discussing the issue. Think of how many people truly are affected by this feature outside of this very tiny discussion that also include an endless amount of other 'insignificant' scenarios. Add that shit up. How's that for perspective?
 

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Most devs atm seem to prefer developing for the 360 and porting to PS3 afterwards. If that remains the case, I'd say we can expect 30fps X1 games andmaybe40fps PS4 games. If devs do a 180 and start to prefer the PS4 coding this generation, you may be right. Only time will tell. I still maintain that there will be no noticeable differences unless you show them side by side, just like the last generation.
It won't remain the case. The PS3 was a fundamentally different architecture and difficult to program for, so it simply wasn't worth the effort to exploit the power. This time around the PS4 and Xbox 1 are very similar so ports will take far less time, and it will be easier to optimise for both. If the rumours about the specs are true then the PS4 will have the edge for games; I don't think it will be a night and day difference, but more detailed textures, or more consistent framerate.
 

Loser Araysar

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Common or likely scenarios? No - but its taken something that isn't broken (CD checks) and replacing them with a ton more points of failure. It's not adding any improved value and creating new points of annoyance and disuse.

(Note: This is part of why you don't see me harping on the single owner bit very hard - I'm opposed, but say it comes with a lower MSRP to make up for it that's incredibly consumer and game publisher friendly versus how it currently looks publisher friendly only - it changes a model that already worked, but assuming other changes come in line with it, it could be good for the consumer)
CD checks can be easily bypassed. The internet requirement is clearly there to combat piracy. If anything, CD checks were dreadfully broken for them.
 

Szlia

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lol

http://kotaku.com/you-will-be-able-t...cros-509140825

"The bits that are on that disc, you can give it to your friend and they can install it on an Xbox One," he said. "They would then have to purchase the right to play that game through Xbox Live."

"They would be paying the same price we paid, or less?" we asked.

"Let's assume it's a new game, so the answer is yes, it will be the same price," Harrison said.
This cannot be right.

You would think that with all the Web 2.0 / social media craze these companies would have hired a couple sociologists and that subsequently they would be consulted on the impact of design on the social practices related to their products. Being able to lend and borrow is a core element to the vitality of any cultural medium.