The Dragon Prince

Nidhogg said:

Everything to do with humans is a social construct yes - for how society acts. When you bring another species into the picture, you can't impose your values on them, law included.
That's beside the point though, there is nothing in the story thus far that states the exile of humans meant the Xadians were also barred from going over there - they just never had a reason to. The fact that they are at War now doesn't change this. Sure the humans can be like "rah we're at war, you're here illegaly!" but seriously, the Dragons and Elves probably don't give a fuck, because that's human culture, not theirs.

The dragon may or may not have known they were at war, it might have been there on a peace mission for all you know. It *didnt* attack anyone after 3 days, only when provoked. Maybe ask yourself why instead of insisting you are correct and you know it's motivations?

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So the Dragons and Elves don't give a fuck about what the humans want, they can just do whatever they want. But its cool, because the ignorant humans didn't even think to ask anyway! Do people who go on peace missions and are shot at, normally turn around a fire bomb innocent civilians even if they are not injured or struck by the shot? Cause I'm pretty sure we'd consider that a war crime even if an actual soldier who was clearly meant for war did something like that....But okay.

You explain why that's okay in your next post, got you....

Nidhogg said:

We are justified in clear cutting rainforests which kill thousands of wildlife for shopping malls. Who is to say they don't see us as anything less than wildlife? They shuffled us off their ranch when we started using Dark Magic.
They were justified in doing whatever the fuck they wanted 1000 years ago, with little human affect to the contrary. This is a fantasy setting after all, we aren't the Alpha at the top of the food chain here.

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"the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must" is your stance.

And I agree with you. That's precisely how the Elves and Dragons act, they kill and destroy at will, when and how they want, whenever they want. Regardless of how the humans feel about it, or what it does to the humans.

Which leads us back to the problem, because despite the Elves and the Dragons clearly being HUGE assholes, and just terrible, awful people that do not care about the humans and will force the humans to suffer when and how they please. The King still acts like seeing them this way makes one into a war monger. And our "war monger" doesn't even argue these HUGE points effectively because its clear the writers WANT the King and those who adhere to his ideology to be right even if its illogical and its clear the aggressors are not the humans and the humans are simply defending themselves from a far more powerful, belligerent enemy.

Again, this is how you get these weird, alien reactions that seem more out of the bible than a decent story. These characters do not seem real. They act like ideological avatars. That's the problem.


Btw, how has life been treating you Tanoomba?

Lithose said:

Btw, how has life been treating you Tanoomba?

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And when Lithose saw the breadth of his domain, he wept for there were no more sub-forums to conquer.

Lithose said:

So the Dragons and Elves don't give a fuck about what the humans want, they can just do whatever they want. But its cool, because the ignorant humans didn't even think to ask anyway! Do people who go on peace missions and are shot at, normally turn around a fire bomb innocent civilians even if they are not injured or struck by the shot? Cause I'm pretty sure we'd consider that a war crime even if an actual soldier who was clearly meant for war did something like that....But okay.

You explain why that's okay in your next post, got you....



"the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must" is your stance.

And I agree with you. That's precisely how the Elves and Dragons act, they kill and destroy at will, when and how they want, whenever they want. Regardless of how the humans feel about it, or what it does to the humans.

Which leads us back to the problem, because despite the Elves and the Dragons clearly being HUGE assholes, and just terrible, awful people that do not care about the humans and will force the humans to suffer when and how they please. The King still acts like seeing them this way makes one into a war monger. And our "war monger" doesn't even argue these HUGE points effectively because its clear the writers WANT the King and those who adhere to his ideology to be right even if its illogical and its clear the aggressors are not the humans and the humans are simply defending themselves from a far more powerful, belligerent enemy.

Again, this is how you get these weird, alien reactions that seem more out of the bible than a decent story. These characters do not seem real. They act like ideological avatars. That's the problem.


Btw, how has life been treating you Tanoomba?

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It took this long to reach the viewpoint I had from the beginning? The humans and Elves/Dragons are not on equal footing- they never were. The prologue seets this up for us. Humans were forcibly driven out of Xadia/paradise/whatever you want to call it because they were judged as a whole from the actions of a few. That's not benevolent, wise or auspicious, but it is what was done. Fast forward 1000 years and no one lives by the grudges people might have had of that day and time. Humans worry about human affairs and Xadians worry about theirs. It's only until Harrow leads an expedition into Xadia that shit starts up. Notice there was no border guard of Fire Elves at the first incursion - it was only afterwards that Elves decided to start patrolling the Breach to keep humans out after all these centuries.

The rest of what happened to spark the death of the Dragon King is still a mystery which we'll discover later in the story - I still don't see eye to eye with you that humans should still be miffed that they are on the reservation. They've known nothing but that, and through history know not to venture into Xadia, because they are not welcome.

I look forward to seeing what Aaravos' machinations were that forwarded these hostilities beyond the initial killing of the Magma Giant - which was borne out of necessity more than anything. There is a lot to this that we are just guessing at, and I don't think the story has been so black and white that the humans aren't "real" to me because they were oppressed 1000 years ago. That's a long time to hold a grudge unless you're the Middle Easterners, and they are at least on somewhat equal footing with each other. Humans being upset because the gigantic magical Dragons and deadly magic wielding Elves evicted them doesn't exactly mean they can just fight back without being slaughtered.

Back to the small arms fire versus tank scenario... humans probably know it's best to leave Dragons alone when they encounter them, war time or no.

The rest of you guys that aren't Lithose can throw degrading remarks all you want, at least his posts have substance. Wormie how is the 3rd grade treating you btw? You still learning big words?
Edit: Oh and I don't know who Tanoomba is, but I'm pretty sure I've been around longer than him, and make more salient points. Glad you finally see my point of view on all of this. Still doesn't make the show a SJW fest.

Nidhogg said:

Edit: Oh and I don't know who Tanoomba is, but I'm pretty sure I've been around longer than him, and make more salient points.

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Interesting you understood my line was referencing how Tanoomba did not make very salient points if you don't know "who he is".

Lithose said:

Interesting you understood my line was referencing how Tanoomba did not make very salient points if you don't know "who he is".

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Context clues, I know, shocker. I'm pretty sure generic sleuthing can help you out if you're in doubt.

Is that better or worse than tentacle rape? Also, wtf guys? I just came to see when the new season starts and I got a treatise on colonialism or something. Not gonna lie, after the first Lithose post I noped on out to the end.

Qhue said:

This is back today. The opening part of the first episode is a further look back to the start of the original war that split the land apart.

It would be interesting to see the pre-war humans and see just how shit upon they were by the other races. I get the impression it was pretty bad.

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Have not started but... it will be interesting to see what they do... because the first 2 seasons were shit on humans - a typical SJW theme in any genera that brings in ANY other race (see Avatar etc.) the humans are ALWAYS bad, evil, stupid, bla bla and whatever the other race(s) are always hold HIGH SJW beliefs and are almost ALWAYS a socialist paradise.

Xadion said:

Have not started but... it will be interesting to see what they do... because the first 2 seasons were shit on humans - a typical SJW theme in any genera that brings in ANY other race (see Avatar etc.) the humans are ALWAYS bad, evil, stupid, bla bla and whatever the other race(s) are always hold HIGH SJW beliefs and are almost ALWAYS a socialist paradise.

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Samurai Jack would talk to you about that.

I haven't watched the new ones, nor have I watched the orig in any form of order etc for me to get "the plot" other than jack trying to kill that shape shifter dude over and over and...

"MYSTIC RUNES LADDY!"

Another enjoyable season. This show goes by fast.

Xadion said:

I haven't watched the new ones, nor have I watched the orig in any form of order etc for me to get "the plot" other than jack trying to kill that shape shifter dude over and over and...

"MYSTIC RUNES LADDY!"

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He despaired and gave up at some point after the original series. Last season is set 50 years later.

Harshaw said:

Another enjoyable season. This show goes by fast.

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+1 The animation has gotten a lot better since the first season. The longer story is starting to get interesting too.

Good season imo, will do a more in depth later. I didnt expect them to wrap up this much of the war so quickly.

The Callum and Rayla thing felt a bit too forced/quick would be my only gripe.

moonarchia said:

+1 The animation has gotten a lot better since the first season. The longer story is starting to get interesting too.

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It really is remarkable seeing the contrast between the "last time on the Dragon Prince" segments and the episodes proper. That whole 10 fps animation they had in season 1 was bad.

Animation has gotten simply amazing this season, makes me wish they could somehow remaster what came before. S3 definitely felt like they had enough material that could have covered 13 episodes instead of 9 or at least done longer episodes. So for the parts that they should have dwelled on and spent more time showing the impact it did feel a little rushed.

We know for certain that they had to force Ezran back to the group and pull him out of the king corner after their end of S2 choice. 1.5/3 moon mounts died for this season but at least Phoe-phoe will make a return. Also... plot point... Claudia's distraction at the end was 100% unnecessary and in fact informed them of the situation sooner, didn't it?

Fantastic season. Ended too soon - goes to show how great it was. I'm totally expecting


Cannot wait for the next season.