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Agraza
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TERA's actiony combo combat is pretty damn attractive. At least for soloing. That's all I've done in TERA so I'm clueless about multiplayer dynamics. When I was doing the combos I felt really connected to my actions, and the rewards for doing combos vs. not were decently balanced. It made me far more effective in going from one mob to the next with no downtime by engaging in the followup abilities.
Woolygimp
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I would argue that Asheron's Call had the best, and most skill-based, combat ever produced in an MMO. It's the only game that a good player could literally win an 8v1 against evenly leveled opponents, or someone could take on someone twice his level and win.
Ultima Online had great combat as well. I knew people from factional warfare from Great Lakes had something like 500+ kills and 1 death.
(This is from an era past classic but the point still stands)
And go figure, they were two of the best PvP mmos, and two of the earliest. They both had far better "combat" than TERA. In Ultima, even lowly orcs could be a threat and kill 7x gms if those players weren't careful.
Ultima Online had great combat as well. I knew people from factional warfare from Great Lakes had something like 500+ kills and 1 death.
(This is from an era past classic but the point still stands)
And go figure, they were two of the best PvP mmos, and two of the earliest. They both had far better "combat" than TERA. In Ultima, even lowly orcs could be a threat and kill 7x gms if those players weren't careful.
Woolygimp
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Accidental repost, sorry.
I'll use it though. See what made Asheron's Call so great was that you had to HIT your opponent for attacks/arrows/spells to do damage. But you could also strafe cast, double cast, jump cast, and move while performing attacks.
This is why you see the player moving around while casting big purple orbs under his arm. He's dodging the other guy's shit. And he's also getting in position for his very own attacks to land. It was an amazing game; really was. It was amazing because not only was it loot based (dropped items on death) but because imagine being able to stand your ground against entire groups IF you were that good.
In newer "click" games you can't even win 2v1s.
....OH, and AC had a "jumping skill" (also had a running skill too) which gauged the distance/height you could jump which is just plain badass. It's nice being able to jump buildings.
Devs these days are just too fucking afraid to create games like this where people's characters could actually do unique things.
So take your "MMOs have shitty combat." axioms and gtfo. Rephrase that shit to, "modern MMOs have shitty combat."
I'll use it though. See what made Asheron's Call so great was that you had to HIT your opponent for attacks/arrows/spells to do damage. But you could also strafe cast, double cast, jump cast, and move while performing attacks.
This is why you see the player moving around while casting big purple orbs under his arm. He's dodging the other guy's shit. And he's also getting in position for his very own attacks to land. It was an amazing game; really was. It was amazing because not only was it loot based (dropped items on death) but because imagine being able to stand your ground against entire groups IF you were that good.
In newer "click" games you can't even win 2v1s.
....OH, and AC had a "jumping skill" (also had a running skill too) which gauged the distance/height you could jump which is just plain badass. It's nice being able to jump buildings.
Devs these days are just too fucking afraid to create games like this where people's characters could actually do unique things.
So take your "MMOs have shitty combat." axioms and gtfo. Rephrase that shit to, "modern MMOs have shitty combat."
Tarrant
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Classic coming from a guy who hates every game not EQ1.
I'm not bias. I'll end up buying this probably but as it stands combat looks like shit. Utter shit.
The NPC AI in TESO appears to be a bit more complex than most MMO's, which is to its credit. However, without playing it and only seeing it, there still isn't much to leave me excited. Sorry I haven't kept up with this game in a while, does it feature traditional trinity roles?
Tarrant
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Because I like gaming and trying new games? I know, it's weird being a gamer that likes playing games. Holy shit, what a concept.
And you have posted hate on every mmo being talked about right now, if it's not EQ then fuck it. Shit gets old reading EQ cock stroking all the time.
The only thing that's weird is thinking the combat (ie: bulk of any MMO) is shit, but still looking forward to buying it. The games industry sucks so much because of morons like you.
Only like 3...
So why the fuck did you even register to this forum? This entire place rose from Fires of Heaven - one of the top EQ raid guilds. Go to one of the other 10000 mainstream gaming forums if that's all you are.
Tarrant
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A. I review MMO's, I look forward to all MMO's to see what they drink and dont bring to the table. If people like me who can see the combat looks shitty and still buy the game are the reason the industry sucks, it must be in even worse shape when people lik eyou are too retarded to see it's shitty and go buy it blindly. FYI, almost all games bring something new to the table, I enjoy seeing what those things are myself, not reading it from others.
B. Only like all
C. Guess what? This isn't a EQ guild forum. Get over yourself and join us in today. Thanks.
D. Enough with your petty bullshit arguments, you're not going to degenerate these discussions into a shit fest again, it's your last warning.
B. Only like all
C. Guess what? This isn't a EQ guild forum. Get over yourself and join us in today. Thanks.
D. Enough with your petty bullshit arguments, you're not going to degenerate these discussions into a shit fest again, it's your last warning.
Great, another clueless reviewer. You'll fit right in!
Have you even read any of my posts?
... Said an utterly clueless "game reviewer".
I never said it was. I said you joined the wrong forum, there are several others I read which you would be far better suited to. You would be there right now, if you didn't suck at googling.
Fuck you you fucking biased cunt shit for brains moron. You don't get to bicker with me page after page with the most idiotic retarded arguments and then when you tire of it, threaten me with your hall monitor powers. Fuck you and your fucking neglectful alcoholic mother and absent father for raising such a fucking wet pants little bitch.
Blackwulf
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Woolygimp, I agree with you about some old games. DAOC was like that too, btw. If you knew your shit and played smart you could take on full groups and win. My VW killed 5+ stealthers on many occasions. I got the majority of my realm points by duoing with a good bard and we rolled full groups (8 man teams) on many occasions.
That's why I'm willing to wait and try this game, tbh. It looks "good enough" for me. It might not be Soul Caliber online or whatever awesome, explody console game people are playing these days, but if they make the pvp smart and interesting, I don't give a shit. Graphics and animations are fine, imo.
I watched a couple Tera vids, btw, and I wasn't that impressed. Honestly the only thing it had that this game didn't was little explosions every time your sword hit the enemy. WTF is that? I guess I'm just not into the explody, asian action that is sweeping the nation.
That's why I'm willing to wait and try this game, tbh. It looks "good enough" for me. It might not be Soul Caliber online or whatever awesome, explody console game people are playing these days, but if they make the pvp smart and interesting, I don't give a shit. Graphics and animations are fine, imo.
I watched a couple Tera vids, btw, and I wasn't that impressed. Honestly the only thing it had that this game didn't was little explosions every time your sword hit the enemy. WTF is that? I guess I'm just not into the explody, asian action that is sweeping the nation.
Tera's combat was best in class. Unfortunately it took until level 15 or so to see it, some classes later but it was simply unbeatable. The quests in that game were horrendous, similar in a lot of ways to another WoW clone coming out but the combat was simply amazing. Dungeons weren't bad either until you hit end game and hit the korean +gear treadmill.
Gask
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From what I saw of it the combat in TESO felt like Skyrim without shouts to me which is a bit meh considering the combat was the least interesting part of that game. The world, quests, epic moments and dicking around with shouts were all fantastic. I did not like the mob pack system very much, it's to linear and predictable; move up clear room, move up rinse repeat. Social mobs would be much more interesting with runners going for help and other dynamics to shake things up from time to time imo.
I also hate over-the-top asian action style combat.. So I never tried it until it went F2P. And I was honestly surprised at how good the combat itself was. It took a little while to get the feel for it, especially since you were committed to certain attacks once you executed them. But it had a surprising amount of depth, responsiveness, and complexity. Too bad the rest of the game was pedogirl shitfest.
Which is to say, even though TESO combat looks terribad, I will still give it a shot as you can never really know until you play it yourself.
Utnayan
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Or you didn't need to know your shit either because Mythic couldn't balance a piece of wood on two blocks.
Double Dex Debuff from a Spiritmaster? No problem. Renders every mob in the world useless and (physically) cannot damage any player. That was hilarious. Or more obvious foul ups, like AOE Mezzing 100+ albions and killing them all with 4 people.
Man could these guys fuck up some games. I cannot wait to see what happens in this one actually. Time to break out Yakkity Sax and tie it to one of their new videos.
Blackwulf
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Dude, your vagina is so sandy! You must have been really shut down hard when you applied to work there. DAOC is THE pinnacle of MMO pvp. Anyone who argues differently either: A - didn't play it enough to understand it properly. B - got rolled so much that they have a night terror now and then about it, still (Utnayan). C - Works for/has a friend who works for a competing MMO and suffers from some sort of delusional loyalty.
Edit to address your stupid point:The double dex debuff came from a split spec spiritmsster, nulling their damage. A dps SM had a single target debuff. Weapons were double and sometimes tri split between stats. Str and half dex with a dmg roll based on attack speed (quick) etc etc. 100 albions was like the equivalent to 10 players. Most of them were probably 8 years old. Sounds like an even fight.
Think about the complexity and beauty of that system. Nothing comes close. Sure it was hard to balance, but they put the work in and it was fun as hell.
Utnayan
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You seem pretty angry when calling out a game for what it was.
DAOC was completely unbalanced when it came to RvR and they never really recovered. Having the foresight to negate AE Mez effects should have come to the front of any discussion before launch. It didn't. Why? Incompetence. Lets not forget the entire game launched (And was this way for months) with all post 35 content not itemized and the main reason for RvR in the first place wasn't implemented until January (4 months after launch)
Given it's difficulty in getting off the ground, and that the entire game was made in 16 months (That's fairly atrocious) I will give credit where credit is due where they launched it, but in a fairly shitty condition because of it's dev cycle.
But the problems after and then the expansion heard around the world destroying the game, really only made for about 6 months of worthy and aty least * Somewhat * balanced RvR and that was a time period of about 2 months after Shrouded Isles. Trials of Atlantis and New Frontiers destroyed it. Why? It lost persistence and added a grind fest. Exactly what they are doing here with instancing 56,000 cyrodil alliance wars on a mega server.
All gameplay mechanics aside in the videos, which is damn near being universally panned across the internet, RvR, the reason why you are so fired up, won't even make it to launch. (Rumor has it) And hasn't even been shown or developed yet as their designers frantically scramble to make the 1-50 content.
Now now , I quite enjoyed my Smite Cleric at launch.
I saw nothing wrong with a chain wearing wizard being able to heal and fire off PBAOE mez's in a crowd and then call down lightning on all around me and healing the slight scratches I got from it at the same time.
I saw nothing wrong with a chain wearing wizard being able to heal and fire off PBAOE mez's in a crowd and then call down lightning on all around me and healing the slight scratches I got from it at the same time.