The New England Patriots 2014 Playoffs Thread

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It's pathetic how many people are still trying to pretend this is about deflated balls and not cheating.
Translation, "Not even I think the deflated balls matter that much, so let's just ignore the context, paint all cheating the same and focus on a dubious set of evidence that implicates a team I don't like as cheating".
 

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Don't be a dumbass. There's a world of difference between outside temperatures and inside temperatures.
Not at 79 degrees fuck face, go put your sunscreen we wouldnt want you bursting into flames when the temp gets in the mid 70's!
 

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Translation, "Not even I think the deflated balls matter that much, so let's just ignore the context, paint all cheating the same and focus on a dubious set of evidence that implicates a team I don't like as cheating".
Not even close. I understand you are a busy man and can't read the entire thread. I have already said we don't know what difference the balls made and can never know. No one with any sense or integrity at all can say with certainty that the cheater balls made no difference. They also can't say with certainty that they did. The best we can do is look at brady's and luck's completion percentages. Throughout the season, they were about equal. On that day, Brady's was the same as it had been all season, while Luck's was half his norm.

Not at 79 degrees fuck face, go put your sunscreen we wouldnt want you bursting into flames when the temp gets in the mid 70's!
This just proves you still don't understand. You don't even realize heaters inside buildings are not giant balls of radiation. Does your house even have a heater?
 
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So now luck having a bad day is somehow proof that the patriots cheated? You guys are seriously starting to make me want to root for the patriots instead of the Seahawks and I didn't think that was possible. I've seen suicidal lemmings sitting on cliff edges that have a firmer grasp on coherent thought then you ballghazi types are displaying over this stupid ass "scandal".
 

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Vimeseh, are you a product of the chicago public school system? Your reading comprehension is at about kindergarten level. The proof of the pats cheating is coming from the NFL and it's all over this thread. Please highlight the part where I said anything akin to luck sucking meant the pats cheated.
 

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Not even close. I understand you are a busy man and can't read the entire thread. I have already said we don't know what difference the balls made and can never know. No one with any sense or integrity at all can say with certainty that the cheater balls made no difference. They also can't say with certainty that they did. The best we can do is look at brady's and luck's completion percentages. Throughout the season, they were about equal. On that day, Brady's was the same as it had been all season, while Luck's was half his norm.
Now your arguments in the political thread make a whole lot more sense.

Claiming their completion percentages throughout the season were "about equal" isn't very accurate, although not terribly inaccurate. 64.1 > 61.7 in favor of Brady this year.

Now, if you were to compare their career completion %'s you'd have: 63.4 > 58.3 (those include playoffs btw). Again, not about equal.

The important comparison comes when looking at their career completion percentage versus their completion percentage in games against one another. You could say small sample size, but 4 games in 3 years, all Patriot victories by substantial margins, seem to tell a story. Surprise surprise, they do...

Luck Career Completion %: 58.3 Luck Completion % Against the Patriots: 50.3
Brady Career Completion %: 63.4 Brady Completion % Against Luck Era Colts: 63.2

Whether or not they both normally complete a high number of passes means dick all when one guy consistently has seen his performance suffer against the other. So no, "the best we can do" is not look at that one game and assume it was because of ball inflation level.
 
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Vimeseh, are you a product of the chicago public school system? Your reading comprehension is at about kindergarten level. The proof of the pats cheating is coming from the NFL and it's all over this thread. Please highlight the part where I said anything akin to luck sucking meant the pats cheated.
Merrith did a good enough job explaining it. I'll take my Chicago schooling over your Texas style lack of analytical reasoning or critical thinking skills any day of the week.

There was a video posted today that explained how the patriots balls could have deflated naturally to the level they were at when tested during halftime. The anti patriots response? Well why didn't the Colts balls deflate too, hurr durr? All we know is that they were within regulation or close enough that it doesn't matter. Well shit maybe the Colts had them on the high side of the allowed range and prepped their balls differently.

Meanwhile your side is posting shit articles about fumbles that uses shady logic to depict the desired results. Oh and let's not forget irsay acting like a tool. Integrity from him, is about as believable as tanoomba actually taking a stance on something. This is like the perfect storm of sports stupidity.
 

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We don't know how the colts prepared their footballs..

Maybe, 13.5, inflated outside with air at ambient temp outside..
Thus less pressure loss

However, if that scientific test was right and it was just,, natural forces causing the balls to reduce pressure(ie noone let air out-and most of the football's were within what could happen) I don't see any penalty beside a fine
 

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Claiming their completion percentages throughout the season were "about equal" isn't very accurate, although not terribly inaccurate. 64.1 > 61.7 in favor of Brady this year.

Now, if you were to compare their career completion %'s you'd have: 63.4 > 58.3 (those include playoffs btw). Again, not about equal.

The important comparison comes when looking at their career completion percentage versus their completion percentage in games against one another. You could say small sample size, but 4 games in 3 years, all Patriot victories by substantial margins, seem to tell a story. Surprise surprise, they do...

Luck Career Completion %: 58.3 Luck Completion % Against the Patriots: 50.3
Brady Career Completion %: 63.4 Brady Completion % Against Luck Era Colts: 63.2

Whether or not they both normally complete a high number of passes means dick all when one guy consistently has seen his performance suffer against the other. So no, "the best we can do" is not look at that one game and assume it was because of ball inflation level.
I didn't have the gumption to find anything beyond the season completion percentages because the question wasn't important enough to spend any more time. I don't know what world you live in where 62% and 64% are not 'about equal'. I notice you don't mention that in that game Luck was in the 30s. When you take that into account, you see why I said I said 64 and 62 were 'about equal'. Pick nits much? I guess if you really still want to explore the asinine question of how much impact the cheaterballs had, what we need now is completion percentages for both QBs in wet and cold weather.

There was a video posted today that explained how the patriots balls could have deflated naturally to the level they were at when tested during halftime. The anti patriots response? Well why didn't the Colts balls deflate too, hurr durr? All we know is that they were within regulation or close enough that it doesn't matter. Well shit maybe the Colts had them on the high side of the allowed range and prepped their balls differently.

Meanwhile your side is posting shit articles about fumbles that uses shady logic to depict the desired results. Oh and let's not forget irsay acting like a tool. Integrity from him, is about as believable as tanoomba actually taking a stance on something. This is like the perfect storm of sports stupidity.
Why is that a bad question? That video claimed the balls should have dropped at least 1.6 PSI. The acceptable range is only 1 PSI. Therefore, the colts balls would have had to be illegal either before the game or at halftime. Only one thing can explain why only one set of balls was illegal at any point, and that's ball tampering. Whether the pats deflated, or the colts pumped theirs up after the initial tests. Hell, even if the pats heated their balls up so they would pass pre-game inspection, that would be ball tampering.

As far as I can tell, no one is on my side, because I'm only on the side of truth, justice, and the american way. Please note that I haven't called for any sanctions on anyone, I've mainly been railing on you despicable idiots who are trying to justify the cheating. I don't give a damn where the results lead, cheating is bad and the NFL needs to deal with it. If the NFL investigation leads back to the cowboys somehow, I'll still be against it just as vigorously. I would be giving seattle more shit for PEDs, but there's no one in here defending that. Everyone knows players will keep getting away with that shit as long as the player's union lets them.
 

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We don't know how the colts prepared their footballs..

Maybe, 13.5, inflated outside with air at ambient temp outside..
Thus less pressure loss

However, if that scientific test was right and it was just,, natural forces causing the balls to reduce pressure(ie noone let air out-and most of the football's were within what could happen) I don't see any penalty beside a fine
If the colt's inflated their balls outside, that could explain a lot. But, if the pressure loss was natural, (meaning not even a result of them heating the balls to trick the test), then there absolutely should not even be a fine. So I don't understand why you left that in as an option in that scenario.

How cold was it in those other games where they were accused of using cheaterballs?
 
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I'm not defending cheating. I happen to not like the patriots and I've received negs talking shit about them and their fans. But without solid proof, which has not been provided you can't say the patriots actually cheated in this instance. All I was way ng that burnem, sutekh, and you going full regard about this is actually more annoying then the wall.to.wall coverage it's receiving on esp and other sports outlets. Which I didn't think is possible.
 

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Uber remember when millie banned you and you couldn't post for a year during the Spygate scandal and how mad you were you couldn't respond when I posted this.

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lol just wanted to remind you of those funny days.
 

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The best we can do is look at brady's and luck's completion percentages. Throughout the season, they were about equal. On that day, Brady's was the same as it had been all season, while Luck's was half his norm.
How many times has Brady been in an important game in shitty conditions in his career? How many times has Luck? Pressure and all of that definitely never come in to play and affect someone. Not once in the history of sports. Everyone else already touched on how retarded your conclusions about completion %'s were and why it's retarded to compare stats for one game only (hey guess what, Brady has shit games too on the rare occasion). Also already been touched on how badly the Patriots have shit on Luck and his crew in their previous games.

Your electric bill must be like $1500 a month during summer from keeping your a/c at 55 so you don't melt and/or evaporate.
 
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BBs statement that to his knowledge (paraphrase) "no football has ever been measured during a game"

take that single fact alone, if it is a fact, and realize that the league has just established a standard. so what proof is there the patriots balls were under the standard? the standard is now apparently 1-2 PSI loss in those types of conditions.
 
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Also Sherman's a genius. Rips the commissioner who will inevitably hand out his 2nd PED punishment in the coming season