Agraza
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The NSA watches you poop.
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Aaron
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If there is one thing that really rustles my jimmies then it's all this shock over the NSA spying on "friendly" governments. What a load of absolute bollocks! There is absolutely no code of ethics, or rule book, or law in any country that says you should only spy on enemies. Countries have been spying on other "friendly" countries since espionage was first invented - and will continue til the end of time. Anyone who believes otherwise needs to pull their head out of their arse!
And it's not as if this is the first fucking time this has come to light. It happened throughout the cold war, hell even during WWII the allies were spying on each other! Apart from the US, the UK, France and especially Israel. The reason for this is manifold: Governments don't like to be taken by surprise, be it from a friend or enemy. They build up databases on foreign statesmen to help their own statesmen when dealing. Politically friendly nations can be economic or military rivals. Anyone who has watched the Eurozone crisis over the past 5 years has seen that the US has gained a lot from it (in that back at the start of the crisis many were predicting the Euro to take the place of the Dollar as the world reserve currency, that has not happened). And when it comes to multi billion dollar arms deals (especially when international bidding is involved) where the stakes are high, you can bet your bottom dollar that a high degree of espionage is involved to influence the buy!
And now to don my Lumie brand tin foil hat:
Why all this news now? Why the outrage over something that has been going on and will continue to go on? What is the proposed outcome? I believe it to be the destruction of the Internet as we know it. Already there are reports that Brazil and Germany are looking at ways to detach themselves from the Internet to circumvent NSA spying. Russia and China are probably too, and other nations would follow. The result would be compartmentalisation of the Internet and the destruction of the anarchistic, free flowing international Internet that we know and love.
Now I'm not saying that this will happen, or that it is even technically possible. I hope it won't. But this has been the wet dream of most politicians ever since the Internet started to increase our global awareness.
And it's not as if this is the first fucking time this has come to light. It happened throughout the cold war, hell even during WWII the allies were spying on each other! Apart from the US, the UK, France and especially Israel. The reason for this is manifold: Governments don't like to be taken by surprise, be it from a friend or enemy. They build up databases on foreign statesmen to help their own statesmen when dealing. Politically friendly nations can be economic or military rivals. Anyone who has watched the Eurozone crisis over the past 5 years has seen that the US has gained a lot from it (in that back at the start of the crisis many were predicting the Euro to take the place of the Dollar as the world reserve currency, that has not happened). And when it comes to multi billion dollar arms deals (especially when international bidding is involved) where the stakes are high, you can bet your bottom dollar that a high degree of espionage is involved to influence the buy!
And now to don my Lumie brand tin foil hat:
Why all this news now? Why the outrage over something that has been going on and will continue to go on? What is the proposed outcome? I believe it to be the destruction of the Internet as we know it. Already there are reports that Brazil and Germany are looking at ways to detach themselves from the Internet to circumvent NSA spying. Russia and China are probably too, and other nations would follow. The result would be compartmentalisation of the Internet and the destruction of the anarchistic, free flowing international Internet that we know and love.
Now I'm not saying that this will happen, or that it is even technically possible. I hope it won't. But this has been the wet dream of most politicians ever since the Internet started to increase our global awareness.
Tuco
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Destruction of the global internet isn't going to happen. The public is too dependent on it and the bourgeoisie makes too much money off it.
This trend just isn't reversing:
Global Internet usage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ts_ITU.svg.png
This trend just isn't reversing:
Global Internet usage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ts_ITU.svg.png
fanaskin
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balkenization of the internet most certainly could happen, not that "internet" would go away but countries would setup choke points so they can control the flow of information, Iran and china for example engage in various degrees of effort to do that.
Hoss
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you make my eye twitch.
Anyway, I personally have no problem with them spying on foriegn governments. I'm only bothered by them spying on the citizens they supposedly serve.
General Antony
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You're fucking bothered?
They should all be fucking hanged for spying on citizens of the United States. Start calling for their deaths and stop feeling "bothered".
They should all be fucking hanged for spying on citizens of the United States. Start calling for their deaths and stop feeling "bothered".
Tuco
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Yeah how is that choke point working in China? Any attempt by a government over a modernized population to censor the internet is futile, temporary and a waste of time.
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fanaskin
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The NSA's Secret Spy Hub in Berlin
Location and status of CIA/NSA Special Collection Service (SCS) eavesdropping sites as of 13 August 2010
Location and status of CIA/NSA Special Collection Service (SCS) eavesdropping sites as of 13 August 2010
Aaron
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For people like us who are decently tech savy and have a desire to see other parts of the web, then yes, government censorship would be futile. However, it would still mean more hoops to jump through, less secure connections, and a slower connection. But for your average Joe he'll be stuck with whatever the government deems proper. As I say, I hope this won't come to pass. But there are those amongst the ruling class who sure as hell would like to see it happen.
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http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/po...vved_the_spies
Nothing wrong with total surveillance on our own citizens..but other countries' leaders? An outrage!
You'd think everyone got briefed on our surveillance capabilities 4 months ago when they all said they reviewed it and it was A-OK.
Nothing wrong with total surveillance on our own citizens..but other countries' leaders? An outrage!
You'd think everyone got briefed on our surveillance capabilities 4 months ago when they all said they reviewed it and it was A-OK.
fanaskin
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It's so obvious that, that was a lie, that all the congressman "were briefed" what was going on in the nsa, now that there are leaks they say "oh even the president didn't know" how could congress know if the president didn't, it's clear they weren't sharing everything they where doing. Hypocrite Dianne feinstein says "well this is unacceptable", why wasn't it "unacceptable" 2 weeks ago?
fanaskin
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How many of you are a potential terrorist? and how many times over?
72 Types Of Americans That Are Considered "Potential Terrorists" In Official Government Documents
72 Types Of Americans That Are Considered "Potential Terrorists" In Official Government Documents
1. Those that talk about "individual liberties"
2. Those that advocate for states' rights
3. Those that want "to make the world a better place"
4. "The colonists who sought to free themselves from British rule"
5. Those that are interested in "defeating the Communists"
6. Those that believe "that the interests of one's own nation are separate from the interests of other nations or the common interest of all nations"
7. Anyone that holds a "political ideology that considers the state to be unnecessary, harmful,or undesirable"
8. Anyone that possesses an "intolerance toward other religions"
9. Those that "take action to fight against the exploitation of the environment and/or animals"
10. "Anti-Gay"
11. "Anti-Immigrant"
12. "Anti-Muslim"
13. "The Patriot Movement"
14. "Opposition to equal rights for gays and lesbians"
15. Members of the Family Research Council
16. Members of the American Family Association
17. Those that believe that Mexico, Canada and the United States "are secretly planning to merge into a European Union-like entity that will be known as the 'North American Union'"
18. Members of the American Border Patrol/American Patrol
19. Members of the Federation for American Immigration Reform
20. Members of the Tennessee Freedom Coalition
21. Members of the Christian Action Network
22. Anyone that is "opposed to the New World Order"
23. Anyone that is engaged in "conspiracy theorizing"
24. Anyone that is opposed to Agenda 21
25. Anyone that is concerned about FEMA camps
26. Anyone that "fears impending gun control or weapons confiscations"
27. The militia movement
28. The sovereign citizen movement
29. Those that "don't think they should have to pay taxes"
30. Anyone that "complains about bias"
31. Anyone that "believes in government conspiracies to the point of paranoia"
32. Anyone that "is frustrated with mainstream ideologies"
33. Anyone that "visits extremist websites/blogs"
34. Anyone that "establishes website/blog to display extremist views"
35. Anyone that "attends rallies for extremist causes"
36. Anyone that "exhibits extreme religious intolerance"
37. Anyone that "is personally connected with a grievance"
38. Anyone that "suddenly acquires weapons"
39. Anyone that "organizes protests inspired by extremist ideology"
40. "Militia or unorganized militia"
41. "General right-wing extremist"
42. Citizens that have "bumper stickers" that are patriotic or anti-U.N.
43. Those that refer to an "Army of God"
44. Those that are "fiercely nationalistic (as opposed to universal and international in orientation)"
45. Those that are "anti-global"
46. Those that are "suspicious of centralized federal authority"
47. Those that are "reverent of individual liberty"
48. Those that "believe in conspiracy theories"
49. Those that have "a belief that one's personal and/or national 'way of life' is under attack"
50. Those that possess "a belief in the need to be prepared for an attack either by participating in paramilitary preparations and training or survivalism"
51. Those that would "impose strict religious tenets or laws on society (fundamentalists)"
52. Those that would "insert religion into the political sphere"
53. Anyone that would "seek to politicize religion"
54. Those that have "supported political movements for autonomy"
55. Anyone that is "anti-abortion"
56. Anyone that is "anti-Catholic"
57. Anyone that is "anti-nuclear"
58. "Rightwing extremists"
59. "Returning veterans"
60. Those concerned about "illegal immigration"
61. Those that "believe in the right to bear arms"
62. Anyone that is engaged in "ammunition stockpiling"
63. Anyone that exhibits "fear of Communist regimes"
64. "Anti-abortion activists"
65. Those that are against illegal immigration
66. Those that talk about "the New World Order" in a "derogatory" manner
67. Those that have a negative view of the United Nations
68. Those that are opposed "to the collection of federal income taxes"
69. Those that supported former presidential candidates Ron Paul, Chuck Baldwin and Bob Barr
70. Those that display the Gadsden Flag ("Don't Tread On Me")
71. Those that believe in "end times" prophecies
72. Evangelical Christians
2. Those that advocate for states' rights
3. Those that want "to make the world a better place"
4. "The colonists who sought to free themselves from British rule"
5. Those that are interested in "defeating the Communists"
6. Those that believe "that the interests of one's own nation are separate from the interests of other nations or the common interest of all nations"
7. Anyone that holds a "political ideology that considers the state to be unnecessary, harmful,or undesirable"
8. Anyone that possesses an "intolerance toward other religions"
9. Those that "take action to fight against the exploitation of the environment and/or animals"
10. "Anti-Gay"
11. "Anti-Immigrant"
12. "Anti-Muslim"
13. "The Patriot Movement"
14. "Opposition to equal rights for gays and lesbians"
15. Members of the Family Research Council
16. Members of the American Family Association
17. Those that believe that Mexico, Canada and the United States "are secretly planning to merge into a European Union-like entity that will be known as the 'North American Union'"
18. Members of the American Border Patrol/American Patrol
19. Members of the Federation for American Immigration Reform
20. Members of the Tennessee Freedom Coalition
21. Members of the Christian Action Network
22. Anyone that is "opposed to the New World Order"
23. Anyone that is engaged in "conspiracy theorizing"
24. Anyone that is opposed to Agenda 21
25. Anyone that is concerned about FEMA camps
26. Anyone that "fears impending gun control or weapons confiscations"
27. The militia movement
28. The sovereign citizen movement
29. Those that "don't think they should have to pay taxes"
30. Anyone that "complains about bias"
31. Anyone that "believes in government conspiracies to the point of paranoia"
32. Anyone that "is frustrated with mainstream ideologies"
33. Anyone that "visits extremist websites/blogs"
34. Anyone that "establishes website/blog to display extremist views"
35. Anyone that "attends rallies for extremist causes"
36. Anyone that "exhibits extreme religious intolerance"
37. Anyone that "is personally connected with a grievance"
38. Anyone that "suddenly acquires weapons"
39. Anyone that "organizes protests inspired by extremist ideology"
40. "Militia or unorganized militia"
41. "General right-wing extremist"
42. Citizens that have "bumper stickers" that are patriotic or anti-U.N.
43. Those that refer to an "Army of God"
44. Those that are "fiercely nationalistic (as opposed to universal and international in orientation)"
45. Those that are "anti-global"
46. Those that are "suspicious of centralized federal authority"
47. Those that are "reverent of individual liberty"
48. Those that "believe in conspiracy theories"
49. Those that have "a belief that one's personal and/or national 'way of life' is under attack"
50. Those that possess "a belief in the need to be prepared for an attack either by participating in paramilitary preparations and training or survivalism"
51. Those that would "impose strict religious tenets or laws on society (fundamentalists)"
52. Those that would "insert religion into the political sphere"
53. Anyone that would "seek to politicize religion"
54. Those that have "supported political movements for autonomy"
55. Anyone that is "anti-abortion"
56. Anyone that is "anti-Catholic"
57. Anyone that is "anti-nuclear"
58. "Rightwing extremists"
59. "Returning veterans"
60. Those concerned about "illegal immigration"
61. Those that "believe in the right to bear arms"
62. Anyone that is engaged in "ammunition stockpiling"
63. Anyone that exhibits "fear of Communist regimes"
64. "Anti-abortion activists"
65. Those that are against illegal immigration
66. Those that talk about "the New World Order" in a "derogatory" manner
67. Those that have a negative view of the United Nations
68. Those that are opposed "to the collection of federal income taxes"
69. Those that supported former presidential candidates Ron Paul, Chuck Baldwin and Bob Barr
70. Those that display the Gadsden Flag ("Don't Tread On Me")
71. Those that believe in "end times" prophecies
72. Evangelical Christians
fanaskin
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Apperently people at the NSA are getting mad that obama is pretending he didn't know about leader spying, in general apparently there is a feeling in the agency that they are being setup as a "rogue agency"
NSA Officials Livid That White House Is Pretending It Didn't Know About Spying On Foreign Leaders
White House OKd spying on allies, U.S. intelligence officials say
NSA Officials Livid That White House Is Pretending It Didn't Know About Spying On Foreign Leaders
White House OKd spying on allies, U.S. intelligence officials say
fanaskin
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