The NSA watches you poop.

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I always took it for granted that we spy on our allies and that they reciprocated in kind. Israel has been known to spy on us for years now. Our technology advantage just makes it far easier for us to spy on the rest of the world at a completely different level than they themselves are capable of. Snowden just pulled the lid back on the whole affair and now foreign leaders are having to engage in some public posturing as a result.

I agree that the notion that Congress and the President were in the dark on all of it is laughable.
 
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NSA infiltrates links to Yahoo, Google data centers worldwide, Snowden documents say - The Washington Post

Good times. The rabbit hole keeps getting deeper and deeper.

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Malakriss

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I clicked on "Graphic" thinking it had the powerpoint document, boy was I wrong. Where's the "American emails lol" label on that scribble again? Or is :v) the secret code for that?
 
Dyvim

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Big money of course takes measures to not get spied on.
This is after all part of the war on terror scam, and its never heard of that terrorist would actually buy weapons with *gasp* money.
They always get their weapons by Allah himself.
 
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Is it fair to say that :

i) Snowden is still 'leaking' information;

ii) Putins claim of only giving asylum to Snowden if he stopped harming America is suspect to say the least.
 
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Flight_sl said:
Is it fair to say that :

i) Snowden is still 'leaking' information;

ii) Putins claim of only giving asylum to Snowden if he stopped harming America is suspect to say the least.
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Yes no. Putin probably believes that snowden leaking info is in americas best interest.
 
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I thought Snowden had already given his information to journalists such as Greenwald, hence he had no problem"not leaking any more information". Ultimate loophole.
 
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fanaskin_sl said:
How many of you are a potential terrorist? and how many times over?

72 Types Of Americans That Are Considered "Potential Terrorists" In Official Government Documents

1. Those that talk about "individual liberties"

2. Those that advocate for states' rights

3. Those that want "to make the world a better place"

4. "The colonists who sought to free themselves from British rule"

5. Those that are interested in "defeating the Communists"

6. Those that believe "that the interests of one's own nation are separate from the interests of other nations or the common interest of all nations"

7. Anyone that holds a "political ideology that considers the state to be unnecessary, harmful,or undesirable"

8. Anyone that possesses an "intolerance toward other religions"

9. Those that "take action to fight against the exploitation of the environment and/or animals"

10. "Anti-Gay"

11. "Anti-Immigrant"

12. "Anti-Muslim"

13. "The Patriot Movement"

14. "Opposition to equal rights for gays and lesbians"

15. Members of the Family Research Council

16. Members of the American Family Association

17. Those that believe that Mexico, Canada and the United States "are secretly planning to merge into a European Union-like entity that will be known as the 'North American Union'"

18. Members of the American Border Patrol/American Patrol

19. Members of the Federation for American Immigration Reform

20. Members of the Tennessee Freedom Coalition

21. Members of the Christian Action Network

22. Anyone that is "opposed to the New World Order"

23. Anyone that is engaged in "conspiracy theorizing"

24. Anyone that is opposed to Agenda 21

25. Anyone that is concerned about FEMA camps

26. Anyone that "fears impending gun control or weapons confiscations"

27. The militia movement

28. The sovereign citizen movement

29. Those that "don't think they should have to pay taxes"

30. Anyone that "complains about bias"

31. Anyone that "believes in government conspiracies to the point of paranoia"

32. Anyone that "is frustrated with mainstream ideologies"

33. Anyone that "visits extremist websites/blogs"

34. Anyone that "establishes website/blog to display extremist views"

35. Anyone that "attends rallies for extremist causes"

36. Anyone that "exhibits extreme religious intolerance"

37. Anyone that "is personally connected with a grievance"

38. Anyone that "suddenly acquires weapons"

39. Anyone that "organizes protests inspired by extremist ideology"

40. "Militia or unorganized militia"

41. "General right-wing extremist"

42. Citizens that have "bumper stickers" that are patriotic or anti-U.N.

43. Those that refer to an "Army of God"

44. Those that are "fiercely nationalistic (as opposed to universal and international in orientation)"

45. Those that are "anti-global"

46. Those that are "suspicious of centralized federal authority"

47. Those that are "reverent of individual liberty"

48. Those that "believe in conspiracy theories"

49. Those that have "a belief that one's personal and/or national 'way of life' is under attack"

50. Those that possess "a belief in the need to be prepared for an attack either by participating in paramilitary preparations and training or survivalism"

51. Those that would "impose strict religious tenets or laws on society (fundamentalists)"

52. Those that would "insert religion into the political sphere"

53. Anyone that would "seek to politicize religion"

54. Those that have "supported political movements for autonomy"

55. Anyone that is "anti-abortion"

56. Anyone that is "anti-Catholic"

57. Anyone that is "anti-nuclear"

58. "Rightwing extremists"

59. "Returning veterans"

60. Those concerned about "illegal immigration"

61. Those that "believe in the right to bear arms"

62. Anyone that is engaged in "ammunition stockpiling"

63. Anyone that exhibits "fear of Communist regimes"

64. "Anti-abortion activists"

65. Those that are against illegal immigration

66. Those that talk about "the New World Order" in a "derogatory" manner

67. Those that have a negative view of the United Nations

68. Those that are opposed "to the collection of federal income taxes"

69. Those that supported former presidential candidates Ron Paul, Chuck Baldwin and Bob Barr

70. Those that display the Gadsden Flag ("Don't Tread On Me")

71. Those that believe in "end times" prophecies

72. Evangelical Christians
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I think I'm a potential terrorist 37 times over according to that list. But, why are so many duplicated? And, why is the NRA not specifically listed?
 
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Feinstein promotes bill to strengthen NSA's hand on warrantless searches | World news | theguardian.com
A Senate bill promoted as a surveillance reform would codify the ability of the National Security Agency to search its troves of foreign phone and email communications for Americans' information, and permit law enforcement agencies to search the vast databases as well.

The Fisa Improvements Act, promoted by Dianne Feinstein, the California Democrat who chairs the Senate intelligence committee, would both make permanent a loophole permitting the NSA to search for Americans' identifying information without a warrant - and, civil libertarians fear, contains an ambiguity that might allow the FBI, the DEA and other law enforcement agencies to do the same thing.

"For the first time, the statute would explicitly allow the government to proactively search through the NSA data troves of information without a warrant," said Michelle Richardson, the surveillance lobbyist for the ACLU.

"It may also expand current practices by allowing law enforcement to directly access US person information that was nominally collected for foreign intelligence purposes. This fourth amendment back door needs to be closed, not written into stone."
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Royal_sl said:
I always took it for granted that we spy on our allies and that they reciprocated in kind. Israel has been known to spy on us for years now. Our technology advantage just makes it far easier for us to spy on the rest of the world at a completely different level than they themselves are capable of. Snowden just pulled the lid back on the whole affair and now foreign leaders are having to engage in some public posturing as a result.

I agree that the notion that Congress and the President were in the dark on all of it is laughable.
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The problem isn't that everyone is spying on everyone else, as you say everyone has been doing it forever. The problem is getting caught. Only amateurs in the spy game get caught and when they do they get pummeled by the rest of the players for being fools. And the president gets blamed for it because it happened on his watch.

It's embarrassing more than anything else, but nobody wants to be seen running around in their underwear.
 
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Information was confirmed yesterday that the NSA has spied on phonecalls in Norway. In a months period they recorded 33 million calls. Entire population here is only 5 million, including babies and elderly. Not even remotely targeted, just.... everything and everyone.

As to that list of 72 potential terrorist mindsets. What the hell? That is indeed close to everyone.
 
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Should be 73 including, "People who have the slightest problem with any of the 72 prior mindsets". The NSA are half-assing this if everyone isn't on the list.

Gotta figure out how to credibly put babies on there too. They'll be the vanguard in terrorism when everyone else is under watch.
 
Dyvim

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You are missing the point:
Norway has oil which puts them in the same basket as Iraq, so spy on these damn muli billion dollar terrorist states like theres no tomorrow.
 
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