The NSA watches you poop.

Dyvim

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No my solution is to use that thing inside your skull and dont trust them if they are caught infracting your (our) rights, then retaliate and dont obey like a pussy.
 

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But you said "we can't trust them because they are intelligence agencies and work in secret." No matter what, that will never change, that is kind of the fundamental concept behind intelligence work. You say "retaliate" as if that is even an option. I mean, retaliate against who? The executive? The NSA? Congress? The lazy public? You say "obey" as if you are being given a request when none has been made, they just took what they were allowed to, they never asked you for complacency.
 

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They said they MIGHT be allowed to take what they are taking. Think again if your neighborr cross the streets thinks he might be allowed to peek in your bedroom would you let him?
Would you let him, even when the city, state, congress next to your home says, common its usual practice around here, just obey and let it happen?
 

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Bro all these metaphors are like ducks but only when it's sunny. You keep saying "let them" as if you were given an option.
 

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So your solution would be to have no intelligence agencies? That's silly.
Maybe he's just saying the penalty for an intelligence agent being caught should be death. That way, only the really good ones are left and we can pretend that we're not really being spied on because the ones that are still alive have learned their lesson.
 

Dyvim

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Exactly Hoss, instead were now stuck to applaud them for their suckiness, cause were not even getting choice chaosbro.
Dont trust them, kill them on sight or let them rot in a cell for an spy exchange if thats possible, i mean that how the 80s rolled.
 

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None of that even makes any sense, bros. The whole "agents" thing doesn't even apply in this case.
 

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I understand that chaos. In this case, it would obviously be applied the program itself. All those computers in all of those datacenters should be wiped, double encrypted, and destroyed with acid. Or whatever you can do to a hard drive to make the data unrecoverable.

And of course, the people who approved it all could be executed too.
 

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Top Stories - Does the NSA Spy on Congress? Sounds like Yes - AllGov - News

Sanders asked Gen. Keith Alexander, the director of the NSA, in a letter dated January 3 whether it "has spied, or is.currently spying, on members of Congress or other American elected officials."

The senator defined "spying" as "gathering metadata on calls made from official or personal phones, content from websites visited or emails sent, or collecting any other data from a third party not made available to the general public in the regular course of business."

It would seem that if the NSA had never snooped on Capitol Hill, the agency would have simply assured Sanders that no such surveillance ever had, or is, taking place.

Instead, the agency responded with this: "NSA's authorities to collect signals intelligence data include procedures that protect the privacy of US persons. Such protections are built into and cut across the entire process.Members of Congress have the same privacy protections as all US persons.NSA is fully committed to transparency with Congress. Our interaction with Congress has been extensive both before and since the media disclosures began last June."

Given the numerous revelations last year that the NSA had collected metadata pertaining to millions of American's communications despite its "procedures that protect the privacy of US persons," the statement wasn't at all reassuring for members of Congress who "have the same privacy protections as all US persons."

The NSA also said that it was still "reviewing Senator Sanders's letter" and that officials "will continue to work to ensure that all members of Congress, including Senator Sanders, have information about NSA's mission, authorities, and programs to fully inform the discharge of their duties."
 

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Controversies - Appeals Court Blocks Release of Secret Consumer Privacy Memo - AllGov - News

In January 2010, the U.S. Department of Justice's Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) issued a memorandum stating that officials could collect calling records of phone company customers without first obtaining a subpoena or any other authorization from a judge.

The memo came in response to a request from the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), whose use of "exigent letters" to obtain telephone and financial records without following any legal procedures had stirred controversy.

Neither the FBI nor the OLC released a copy of the memo, whose existence only came to light after the Justice Department's inspector general issued a report in 2010 discussing its legal ramifications.

Inspector General Glenn Fine warned that the document established a "significant gap" in "accountability and oversight," He also called on Congress to address the matter by amending the Electronic Communications Privacy Act of 1986, the law upon which the memo was based.

For now, "the details of the legal theory, and the circumstances in which it [the memo] could be invoked, remain unclear," wrote Charlie Savage of The New York Times.

Wanting to find out how the OLC came to this legal conclusion, the Electronic Frontier Foundation sued the administration to force it to release the document.

But a district court judge and a federal appeals court have ruled that the administration can keep the memo under wraps and away from the public.

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit agreed with Justice Department lawyers that the administration enjoys broad legal authority to keep secret its interpretation of what the law permits it to do.

Privacy advocates were alarmed by the ruling, saying it could be used by the government to lock away other classified memos.

The foundation's attorney, David Sobel, called the ruling "troubling," adding: "It's kind of hard to imagine how a different case in the D.C. Circuit is likely to have a different outcome in light of this opinion," according to the Times.
 

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That's just evidence of FBI stupidity, it doesn't have anything to do with the surveillance state.
 

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The stuff that really concerns me, like the concerted nsa effort to weaken cryptography standards throughout the industry, or companies weakening encryption algorithms in exchange for payment from the nsa, seem to be ignored here bros. Fanaskin once again dropping the ball.
 

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For you chaos I guess it got lost after it was revealed the nsa installs physical bugs in peoples computer hardware

What the NSA has done, according to leaked documents, is (1) undermine encryption by coercing companies to put backdoors into their software and (2) hack into tech company servers to steal encryption keys.
Read more:CALM DOWN: The NSA Hasn't 'Cracked' Basic Internet Encryption - Business Insider


NSA paid $10 million to put its backdoor in RSA encryption, according to Reuters report | The Verge

The report details a secret deal between the NSA and respected encryption company RSA, in which the agency paid $10 million for RSA to incorporate the weaker algorithm into an encryption product called BSafe. Because of the earlier work, the algorithm had been approved by NIST, so RSA could claim their encryption used only nationally certified protocols. At the same time, BSafe's encryption was defaulting to a fundamentally flawed encryption algorithm, which the NSA could subvert whenever they needed to.
 

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The only people that should have a reasonable expectation of privacy are tech security experts. No one else should be able to send private E-Mails or make private phone calls to their wives, because terrorists.

Hasn't that been your stances since Day 1, Chaos? You have nothing to hide and your tranny porn collection is so good it should be shared so the NSA is welcome to everything - at which point who cares about encryption? If you're encrypting things, you have things to hide and are worthy of extra scrutiny.

It's rather duplicitous to say phone records, e-mails, browser history, financial transcations, gaming chats (LOL), and everything else is fair game for collection and Americans shouldn't have an expectation of privacy --- but don't touch super-encrypted stuff that uses acronyms 999/1000 people wouldn't know except tech experts and terrorists.
 

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david eckart literally had nothing to hide, doesn't stop power from abusing it.