The NSA watches you poop.

Hoss

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True that. He'd probably have an aneurysm mid-interview.
I can live with that result. Not that I wish any harm on alex. I met him in person, and he's surprisingly likable when there are no cameras on.
 

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Report and Recommendations of
The President's Review Group on Intelligence


secret FISA court (like something akin to a modernstar chamber)making supreme court level rulings caused this
E. Section 215 and the Bulk Collection of Telephony Meta-data
1. The Program
One reading of section 215 is that the phrase "reasonable grounds to believe that the tangible things sought are relevant to an authorized investigation" means that the order must specify with reasonable particularity the records or other things that must be turned over to the government. For example, the order might specify that a credit card company must turn over the credit records of a particular individual who is reasonably suspected of planning or participating in terrorist activities, or that a telephone company must turn over to the government the call records of any person who called an individual suspected of carrying out a terrorist act within a reasonable period of time preceding the terrorist act.This interpretation of "relevant" would be consistent with the traditional understanding of "relevance" in the subpoena context. In May 2006, however, the FISC adopted a much broader understanding of the word "relevant."84 It was that decision that led to the collection of bulk telephony meta-data under section 215. In that decision, and in thirty-five decisions since, fifteen different FISC judges have issued orders under section 215 directing specified United States telecommunications providers to turn over to the FBI and NSA, "on an ongoing daily basis," for a period of approximately 90 days, "all call detail records or 'telephony meta-data' created by [the provider] for
communications (i) between the United States and abroad; or (ii) wholly within the United States, including local telephone calls."85 The "telephony meta-data" that must be produced includes "comprehensive communications routing information, including but not limited to session identifying information (e.g., originating and terminating telephone number, International Mobile Subscriber Identity (IMSI) number, International Mobile Station Equipment Identity (IMEI) number, etc.), trunk identifier, telephone calling card numbers, and time and duration of call."86 The orders expressly provide that the meta-data to be produced "does not include the substantive content of any communication . . . or the name, address, or financial information of a subscriber or customer," nor does it include "cell site location information."87 The orders also contain a nondisclosure provision directing that, with certain exceptions, "no person shall disclose to any other person that the FBI or NSA has sought or obtained tangible things under this Order."88
The FISC authorized the collection of bulk telephony meta-data under section 215 in reliance "on the assertion of the [NSA] that having access to all the call records 'is vital to NSA's counterterrorism intelligence'
because 'the only effective means by which NSA analysts are able continuously to keep track of'" the activities, operatives, and plans of specific foreign terrorist organizations who "disguise and obscure their
communications and identities" is "'to obtain and maintain an archive of meta-data that will permit these tactics to be uncovered.'"89 The government has explained the rationale of the program as follows:
One of the greatest challenges the United States faces in
combating international terrorism and preventing potentially
catastrophic terrorist attacks on our country is identifying
terrorist operatives and networks, particularly those operating
within the United States. Detecting threats by exploiting
terrorist communications has been, and continues to be, one of
the critical tools in this effort. It is imperative that we have the
capability to rapidly identify any terrorist threat inside the
United States. . . .
. . . By analyzing telephony meta-data based on telephone
numbers or other identifiers associated with terrorist activity,
trained expert analysts can work to determine whether known
or suspected terrorists have been in contact with individuals in
the United States. . . . In this respect, the program helps to close
critical intelligence gaps that were highlighted by the
September 11, 2001 attacks

STATE OF DECEPTIONWhy won't the President rein in the intelligence community?
 

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You yanks still have a chance to get a "Paul" in office
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Seven House Judiciary Members Demand DOJ Investigate James Clapper For Lying To Congress | Techdirt

Congressional oversight depends on truthful testimony--witnesses cannot be allowed to lie to Congress. Accordingly, we request you to investigate the Director of National Intelligence James Clapper's "erroneous" statements to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence earlier this year.

[....] 18 U.S.C. ? 1001 makes it a crime to "knowingly and willfully" make any "materially false" statement in the course of any "investigation or review, conducted pursuant to the authority of any committee." One of the hallmarks of American democracy is that no one is above the law...

[....] Director Clapper has served his country with distinction, and we have no doubt he believed he was acting in its best interest. Nevertheless, the law is clear. He was asked a question and he was obligated to answer truthfully. He could have declined to answer. He could have offered to answer in a classified setting. He could have corrected himself immediately following the hearing. He did none of these things despite advance warning that the question was coming.

The country's interests are best served when its leaders deal truthfully with its citizens. The mutual sense of good faith it fosters permits compromise and concessions in those cases that warrant it. Director Clapper's willful lie under oath fuels the unhealthy cynicism and distrust that citizens feel toward their government and undermines Congress's ability to perform its Constitutional function.

There are differences of opinion about the propriety of the NSA's data collection programs. There can be no disagreement, however, on the basic premise that congressional witnesses must answer truthfully.
 

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http://www.nationaljournal.com/defen...ction-20131222
Michael Morell, the former acting director of the CIA and a member of President Obama's task force on surveillance, said in an interview on Sunday that a controversial telephone data-collection program conducted by the National Security Agency should be expanded to include emails. He also said the program, far from being unnecessary, could prevent the next 9/11.
the panel has called for an emergency exception that would allow the NSA to occasionally bypass a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court judge.
 

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In all, over the entire 33-year period, the FISA court has granted 33,942 warrants, with only 11 denials - a rejection rate of 0.03 percent of the total requests.

Gentlemen, we might need to bypass this court during an emergency. If just 1% of our requests are guaranteed then we can save lives! Who could argue with 1%? Think of the children.
 

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You're arguing that the group scrutinized the most with it's own specific court isn't going to cross their T's and dot their lower case j's and rack up rejected warrants? Mayhaps you best look into how many lawyers work for government.
 

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You're arguing that the group scrutinized the most with it's own specific court isn't going to cross their T's and dot their lower case j's and rack up rejected warrants? Mayhaps you best look into how many lawyers work for government.
This has already come up and been shot down in this thread. Appeal to authority fallacy? Where's hodj when you need him? A lot of good lawyers work for the government, so everything must be legal and OK.

Making sure the paperwork is filled out properly by lawyers has nothing to do whether a rubber-stamp mentality is present. When people who actually have access to cases say they have concerns, and the few cases that have been made public seem to point to rubber-stamping, regardless of how well t's and j's are dotted/crossed, there's a problem.

But the administration has already stated they too have concerns and will handle it eventually (again, "trust us on it"), so it's all good.
 

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The bottom line seems to be this:

"But the question of whether that program should be conducted is for the other two coordinate branches of government to decide."