The Paranormal, UFO's, and Mysteries of the Unknown

BrutulTM · May 10, 2018

Nobody thinks the pyramids are 10 million years old though. If they were built by a technologically advanced society 5000 years ago there should be some other evidence aside from the pyramids themselves.

Chukzombi · May 10, 2018

pharmakos said:
-- Human CIVILIZATION has only been around for 5,000 years

Göbekli Tepe - Wikipedia
The tell includes two phases of use believed to be of a social or ritual nature dating back to the 10th–8th millennium BCE.

pharmakos · May 10, 2018

Chukzombi said:
Göbekli Tepe - Wikipedia
The tell includes two phases of use believed to be of a social or ritual nature dating back to the 10th–8th millennium BCE.

ugh yeah, we've been discussing Tepe enough recently that i should have had a better number in my head.

BrutulTM said:
Nobody thinks the pyramids are 10 million years old though. If they were built by a technologically advanced society 5000 years ago there should be some other evidence aside from the pyramids themselves.

yeah i agree? my comment about the pyramids was a change of subject from the lizard people. was just pointing out two things that are very unlikely, the second of which is even more unlikely.

pharmakos · May 10, 2018

and yes, i do believe that, despite being very unlikely, ancient lizard people societies are a couple orders of magnitude more likely than aliens having ever visited earth, (by my lay man's estimation

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interstellar travel is a BITCH

Chukzombi · May 10, 2018

pharmakos said:
and yes, i do believe that, despite being very unlikely, ancient lizard people societies are a couple orders of magnitude more likely than aliens having ever visited earth, (by my lay man's estimation )

interstellar travel is a BITCH

it is rather odd that aliens only chill out with drunken rednecks who have no working cameras

pharmakos · May 10, 2018

Chukzombi said:
it is rather odd that aliens only chill out with drunken rednecks who have no working cameras

i've got it queued up to the important part

it's a clean up the universe pact

Himeo · May 10, 2018

Chukzombi said:
it is rather odd that aliens only chill out with drunken rednecks who have no working cameras

Rednecks are awesome. You must not know any.

The stereotypes of Rednecks you see on t.v. are not at all representative.

Chukzombi · May 10, 2018

Himeo said:
Rednecks are awesome. You must not know any.

The stereotypes of Rednecks you see on t.v. are not at all representative.

we got rednecks in NJ going towards PA. had some fun times in Sussex county. they used to have a county fair every year with demolition derbies and tractor pulls after dark. it was a hoot. the blooming onions were so good there. rednecks are fine, just put film in the camera when ET comes to visit.

BrutulTM · May 10, 2018

I don't know why demolition derbies aren't more popular. They are hilarious. I really think it would be fun to drive in one also.

Chukzombi · May 10, 2018

BrutulTM said:
I don't know why demolition derbies aren't more popular. They are hilarious. I really think it would be fun to drive in one also.

Because the old cars they used are very scarce now. And you can only use those old steel beasts. If you tried a demolition derby today with modern cars they would collapse after the first hit.

I think Louis Theroux had a doc about small-town wrestling and one of the wrestlers also did demo derbies. He had prefabricated an old beater car because he couldn't find any actual old cars for the derby.

Tuco · May 10, 2018

pharmakos said:
if humans were wiped out and in 10 million years another species advances to the point where they invent archaeology, the odds of them discovering anything about today's humans is pretty low. so of course, the same would be true of any pre-human civlizations.

Is this true?

I've heard that Earth has enough crazy bowel movements that the entire landscape changes over long periods of time. But I just can't imagine an Earth where there isn't a Mt. Everest, Marina Trench or Mt. Vinson.

It just seems like if we got wiped out, 10 million years from now you might be able to find remnants of the Hoover Dam, Burj Khalifa, Pyramids or Great Wall.

Kiroy · May 10, 2018

Tuco said:
Is this true?

I've heard that Earth has enough crazy bowel movements that the entire landscape changes over long periods of time. But I just can't imagine an Earth where there isn't a Mt. Everest, Marina Trench or Mt. Vinson.

It just seems like if we got wiped out, 10 million years from now you might be able to find remnants of the Hoover Dam, Burj Khalifa, Pyramids or Great Wall.

I'd guess in 10 million years all current day things would be long gone and non-discoverable. Tectonics, weather and other cataclysms can do serious work in 10 million years.

Screamfeeder · May 10, 2018

Kiroy said:
I'd guess in 10 million years all current day things would be long gone and non-discoverable. Tectonics, weather and other cataclysms can do serious work in 10 million years.

Fossils my man.

Will The Fossil Record Preserve Your Computer?

10 Million years is nothing.

Kiroy · May 10, 2018

Screamfeeder said:
Fossils my man.

Will The Fossil Record Preserve Your Computer?

10 Million years is nothing.

ok that wasn't the original question. they'll find fossils sure but they won't know we had civilization and to what extent if we all died out now and archaeology got restarted by whatever in 10 million years.

Pops · May 10, 2018

pharmakos said:
eh, the headline was really different than what the scientists quoted in the article probably wanted it to read as. there is a VERY SMALL chance of there being a pre-human advanced civilization. however, there is a chance.

i thought the article made a strong argument for the possibility at least, tho obviously there was zero actual evidence presented. the facts that lead to the possibility, tho:

-- Earth's fossil record stretches over 4,500,000,000 (4.5 billion) years
-- Humans have only been around for 100,000 years
-- Human CIVILIZATION has only been around for 5,000 years
-- The Industrial Revolution only started 300 years ago
-- Since then, technology has advanced at an exponential rate. Flight was only invented 115 years ago. Cell phones were only invented 45 years ago. etc. etc.
-- Human cities only take up about 1% of the planet's surface.

if humans were wiped out and in 10 million years another species advances to the point where they invent archaeology, the odds of them discovering anything about today's humans is pretty low. so of course, the same would be true of any pre-human civlizations.

humans are on the verge of collapse, if you believe some people. all of recorded history, just a few thousand years, is such a brief moment in time as to have barely existed at all in the grand scheme of things. finding a pre-human civilization, if one did exist, could be truly like finding a needle in a haystack.

i'm sure most of you have seen this before, but it does a good job putting what i just explained about how human civilization has been extraordinarily brief so far into a great visualization.

the headline was clickbait, but the article makes some good points.

The Weans

pharmakos · May 10, 2018

Tuco said:
Is this true?

I've heard that Earth has enough crazy bowel movements that the entire landscape changes over long periods of time. But I just can't imagine an Earth where there isn't a Mt. Everest, Marina Trench or Mt. Vinson.

It just seems like if we got wiped out, 10 million years from now you might be able to find remnants of the Hoover Dam, Burj Khalifa, Pyramids or Great Wall.

the catcher is they'd have to have any idea where to look. it's a miracle we've found some ancient human sites, and those have only been buried 5,000-10,000 years.

edit -- and this is in addition to the point Kiroy brought up, that was also mentioned in the original article we're discussing, that stuff on Earth's surface can get incredibly eroded without anyone around to maintain everything.

Tuco · May 10, 2018

pharmakos said:
the catcher is they'd have to have any idea where to look. it's a miracle we've found some ancient human sites, and those have only been buried 5,000-10,000 years.

In some cases, where to look might be really obvious. Anywhere near a coastline for example. Or through a river (or dried up one).

Screamfeeder · May 10, 2018

Kiroy said:
ok that wasn't the original question.

Sure it was!

pharmakos said:
if humans were wiped out and in 10 million years another species advances to the point where they invent archaeology, the odds of them discovering anything about today's humans is pretty low. so of course, the same would be true of any pre-human civlizations.

I think you underestimate our understanding of past "civilizations" based on nothing but the fossil record. We know migratory paths for dinosaurs, breeding grounds for ancient microbes and can recreate entire cities.

pharmakos said:
the catcher is they'd have to have any idea where to look. it's a miracle we've found some ancient human sites, and those have only been buried 5,000-10,000 years.

Unless the entirety of human civilization is 100% underwater when these future scientists are getting going, there is a very high chance they will discover remnants of us.

pharmakos · May 10, 2018

Screamfeeder said:
I think you underestimate our understanding of past "civilizations" based on nothing but the fossil record. We know migratory paths for dinosaurs, breeding grounds for ancient microbes and can recreate entire cities.

but none of that stuff makes you think "hey maybe these creatures were smart enough to get to the moon"

Screamfeeder said:
Unless the entirty of human civilization is 100% underwater when these future scientists are getting going, there is a very high chance they will discover remnants of us.

i think you underestimate how much digging would be required to find the few things that would remain after 10 million years. human cities only make up about 1% of the Earth's surface.

pharmakos · May 10, 2018

pharmakos said:
edit -- and this is in addition to the point Kiroy brought up, that was also mentioned in the original article we're discussing, that stuff on Earth's surface can get incredibly eroded without anyone around to maintain everything.

you two might have missed my edit^

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