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I posted about the improbable trajectory in the astronomy thread even before Avi Loeb brought it up. Its extremely unlikely that an interstellar object comes within less than 0.4 AU of 3 different planets on one shot path through the solar system, something like 1 in 20,000. And pretty much in the plane of the solar system, only a 5 degree offset to it. Extremely unlikely - but definitely not proof its technological. My understanding is that so far its missing a lot of things that would give it a positive ID as a comet still, but as it gets closer to the sun we should start to see more of those traits.

Even Avi Loeb consistently said in his papers it is most likely a comet, but until then we see more of the characteristics that would positively ID it as such we should keep an open mind. Read his paper, a lot of interesting points.
 
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3I/Atlas will be long gone by 2027. Hubbel looked at it and it's definitely an interstellar comet, probably on the order of 1-2km in diameter with a coma probably on the order of 10-20km in diameter.
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Nope - analysis of the Vera C. Rubin data estimates the nucleus to be 7 miles in diameter. Roughly same size as Rama btw...

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3I/ATLAS is 7 miles wide — the largest interstellar object ever seen — new photos from Vera C. Rubin Observatory reveal

Detailed photos from the newly operational Vera C. Rubin Observatory have revealed that the recently discovered interstellar object 3I/ATLAS is roughly 7 miles wide, making it the largest of its kind ever seen.
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And lastly, regardless of what it is, we should want to study it because its possibly the oldest object we've ever observed passing through the solar system, older than the solar system itself. When this first popped up, everybody was saying there was no way we could intercept it before it leaves the solar system.

The coolest point Avi Loeb and his team have been making, just in the past few days, is that the Juno spacecraft which is orbiting Jupiter, whose mission is pretty much over, may have enough fuel left to do something of an intercept. To get close enough to use all the many tools it has at its disposal to observe this thing. Every scientist should want to do that if its possible regardless of what they think it is. So we could see Rendevous with 3I/Atlas incoming...

 
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Pharazon2 said:
I posted about the improbable trajectory in the astronomy thread even before Avi Loeb brought it up. Its extremely unlikely that an interstellar object comes within less than 0.4 AU of 3 different planets on one shot path through the solar system, something like 1 in 20,000. And pretty much in the plane of the solar system, only a 5 degree offset to it. Extremely unlikely - but definitely not proof its technological.
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The proximity to multiple planets is what gives me pause. Hopefully Juno can get some actual visuals on it so we have something to go off of besides endless CGI imaginings of a rock at the top of news articles.

I don't think it's really the goal of "the powers that be" to push the "it might be an alien ship" idea, considering that every single news article on Oumuamua or 3I/Atlas has a picture of a rock at the top of it, to the point that most people probably think we've photographed both objects.

I'm confused about the numbers. So it isn't going to potentially intercept Earth in 2027, it'll be before that? And wasn't there supposed to be some other object potentially intercepting us in 2032 or so?
 
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I'm confused about the numbers. So it isn't going to potentially intercept Earth in 2027, it'll be before that? And wasn't there supposed to be some other object potentially intercepting us in 2032 or so?
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Nobody has ever said its on course to intercept earth - if it stays on its current trajectory, it will pass pretty close to Mars, and a little further from both Venus and Jupiter. Its not supposed to get close to earth. Avi Loeb said if it were technological, it could be made to perform a maneuver when it gets close to the sun to change direction towards earth.

This guy's latest video summarizes all the weird shit about it, including the fact that if it is a comet its displaying some atypical comet characteristics thus far.. and then ends with the doomsday scenario of what happens if somebody launched this at earth intentionally lol...

 
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I'm so glad Robert Malone has a government job, after all the bullshit he got put through the last few years because of his skepticism about MRNA shots.

He was the guy Joe Rogan interviewed that caused the failed campaign to get him cancelled from Spotify, BTW.
 
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Nobody has ever said its on course to intercept earth - if it stays on its current trajectory, it will pass pretty close to Mars, and a little further from both Venus and Jupiter. Its not supposed to get close to earth. Avi Loeb said if it were technological, it could be made to perform a maneuver when it gets close to the sun to change direction towards earth.

This guy's latest video summarizes all the weird shit about it, including the fact that if it is a comet its displaying some atypical comet characteristics thus far.. and then ends with the doomsday scenario of what happens if somebody launched this at earth intentionally lol...

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Hearing JWST will be imaging on Aug 6th. U?
 
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Haven't heard that, would be cool. Unrelated to JWST, what I heard is that by that date (Aug 6th) we should start to either see some outgassing and / or a tail pointing away from the sun due to the solar pressure. Thus far they have not observed a tail pointing away from the sun at all yet, I think the only potential tail that was briefly interpreted thus far was actually pointing towards the sun, which you don't expect to see.

Here's Avi's latest - he's getting a ton of flak but not backing off the idea. Maybe he likes the flak, who knows. Here he's citing a new paper from some other scientists that acknowledges they can't see a tail yet, can't see outgassing. It is interesting how the academia consensus is "Of course its a comet, Avi Loeb is a moron"... when these telltale comet signs are not there yet. They could at least acknowledge there are some weird, improbably things about this so far - instead they just attack him.

 
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It is interesting how the academia consensus is "Of course its a comet, Avi Loeb is a moron"... when these telltale comet signs are not there yet. They could at least acknowledge there are some weird, improbably things about this so far - instead they just attack him.
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In recent years I've learned that the scientific community are a bunch of arrogant douchebags who know a lot less than people think they do, and want to operate under the age-old fallacy that "we now have everything figured out, and the people thinking outside the box are heretics"

It was stupid 1000 years ago and it's stupid now
 
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Well, you say enough stupid things over the years, and people start to assume everything you say is stupid. And Avi Loeb has said some stupid shit. I guess he's employing the strategy of doubling down on stupid and hoping that one of them hits and he totally redeems himself!
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Updated big picture of what I think is going on for those that give a shit and for the sake of discussion.

I think our physical reality is a small portion of a much bigger spiritual reality. I think there has been positive and negative NHI that live in higher dimensions that have been interacting with humanity since humans have been around. Chirsitians have called these intelligences Angels and Demon, Islam called them Jinn, etc. I think these intelligences have been manipulating humankind and n various ways for millennia. The negative one seems to want to keep humanity divided and fighting each other.

I think since WW2, if not before, the Nazis were communicating with negative NHI and ever since all the major powers intelligence agencies have been dabbling with occult magic for use in espionage and other nefarious shit.

I think that the intelligence agencies have been manipulated and taken over by these negative NHI and have formed a transnational organization, which a lot of people call the deep state, that is actually controlled by these NHI that our governments have been communicating with since WW2.

Further I think that most of the alien and cryptid phenomenon is actually negative NHI that manifest differently based upon our specific beliefs. Right now they are manifesting as ET space aliens but previously in human history they manifested as fairies, dwarfs, elves, etc. Different manifestations, same NHI entities manifesting in our physical reality as different things. I think Epstein was the blackmail wing of this operation that controlled world leader through blackmail.
I think this deep state(controlled by NHI)is actually controlling our media, the cover up of ancient civilizations, the cover up of anti-gravity, advanced healing tech, free energy, provokes wars, and is hiding the true history of humanity from us.




and there is my transition from Hitchens to Lumi
 
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Updated big picture of what I think is going on for those that give a shit and for the sake of discussion.

I think our physical reality is a small portion of a much bigger spiritual reality. I think there has been positive and negative NHI that live in higher dimensions that have been interacting with humanity since humans have been around. Chirsitians have called these intelligences Angels and Demon, Islam called them Jinn, etc. I think these intelligences have been manipulating humankind and n various ways for millennia. The negative one seems to want to keep humanity divided and fighting each other.

I think since WW2, if not before, the Nazis were communicating with negative NHI and ever since all the major powers intelligence agencies have been dabbling with occult magic for use in espionage and other nefarious shit.

I think that the intelligence agencies have been manipulated and taken over by these negative NHI and have formed a transnational organization, which a lot of people call the deep state, that is actually controlled by these NHI that our governments have been communicating with since WW2.

Further I think that most of the alien and cryptid phenomenon is actually negative NHI that manifest differently based upon our specific beliefs. Right now they are manifesting as ET space aliens but previously in human history they manifested as fairies, dwarfs, elves, etc. Different manifestations, same NHI entities manifesting in our physical reality as different things. I think Epstein was the blackmail wing of this operation that controlled world leader through blackmail.
I think this deep state(controlled by NHI)is actually controlling our media, the cover up of ancient civilizations, the cover up of anti-gravity, advanced healing tech, free energy, provokes wars, and is hiding the true history of humanity from us.




and there is my transition from Hitchens to Lumi
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Serious question, I swear.

What has led you to these conclusions, instead of say humans just being shitty? Humans have been shitty and tried to keep the masses in the dark throughout history. If your assumptions are correct, that would mean those NHIs were always responsible for it, not humans. Which seems like a bit of a stretch, because that's a long time to be secretly influencing a species. It seems much more likely and easy to believe that we're just genetically coded to be dickbags when we get a little bit of power.
 
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Serious question, I swear.

What has led you to these conclusions, instead of say humans just being shitty? Humans have been shitty and tried to keep the masses in the dark throughout history. If your assumptions are correct, that would mean those NHIs were always responsible for it, not humans. Which seems like a bit of a stretch, because that's a long time to be secretly influencing a species. It seems much more likely and easy to believe that we're just genetically coded to be dickbags when we get a little bit of power.
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It’s the only thing that fits all the data to me. I laid out a bunch of claims. Ask about any specific part and I’ll try to explain my reasoning.
 
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It’s the only thing that fits all the data to me. I laid out a bunch of claims. Ask about any specific part and I’ll try to explain my reasoning.
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I don't have any specific part I'm concerned about, it is the whole thing. You say it is the only thing that fits all the data, but I say people being people fits better. For mine, you just have to accept that people are generally (not always) shitty when given some modicum of power. For yours, you have to not only believe that people are inherently good and just, but that there is also some external force manipulating them to act the way I say is natural.

If you want to stick with the claim that humans are good and just, then you also have to claim that throughout history every inclination to rape and murder and pillage and sacrifice etc. has been influenced by external forces. That's a lot of fucking work for civilizations that don't even exist any more. What was their end goal for doing that to, say, the Indians (casino)? They murdered the fuck out of each other. What about random tribes in Africa? Even before modern warlords they were committing atrocities for centuries. The list goes on and on. My assumption explains all of that in a simple manner. Yours requires the interference of some higher being we have no actual proof of, so I don't see how that's the only thing that fits.
 
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I don't have any specific part I'm concerned about, it is the whole thing. You say it is the only thing that fits all the data, but I say people being people fits better. For mine, you just have to accept that people are generally (not always) shitty when given some modicum of power. For yours, you have to not only believe that people are inherently good and just, but that there is also some external force manipulating them to act the way I say is natural.

If you want to stick with the claim that humans are good and just, then you also have to claim that throughout history every inclination to rape and murder and pillage and sacrifice etc. has been influenced by external forces. That's a lot of fucking work for civilizations that don't even exist any more. What was their end goal for doing that to, say, the Indians (casino)? They murdered the fuck out of each other. What about random tribes in Africa? Even before modern warlords they were committing atrocities for centuries. The list goes on and on. My assumption explains all of that in a simple manner. Yours requires the interference of some higher being we have no actual proof of, so I don't see how that's the only thing that fits.
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In general I’d say to start looking at the connections between the occult and modern intelligence agencies like the CIA, Mossad, and KGB. Also the founding members of the CIA like Allen Dulles and Prescott Bush. Also that group had some pretty interesting connections with Nazi germany who also have a lot of lore with the occult. Also secret organizations like the Skull and Bones etc.

Also check out anti-gravity research of people like Thomas Townsend Brown and Lou Witten and Freeman Dyson. Also notethe list of anti-gravity researchers that have died post 1960’s under mysterious circumstances.

There is not shortcut other than putting the time in and doing your own research other than what a controlled media is telling you. You seem too inconvenienced to even listen to an hour long podcast so I don’t hold out too much hope for you being able to piece this all together.
 
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