The struggle is real

Mures

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OP came to the grown up forum and is surprised of the fact people are telling him to grow the fuck up when he didn't show up for work because he couldn't pay for parking. Are you disabled? Why wouldn't you park off-site and walk past day one when you have less than $20 to your name? Maybe if you used that money to buy yourself lunch you would have had the energy to walk. Literally everything in the op is your own fault, you can man the fuck up and accept that fact and work to better yourself or you can continue to play the victim where you have to decide whether you want to eat food or argue with random strangers on the internet.
 
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moonarchia

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To be fair we are awesome sexy random strangers who can argue the hell out of anything.
 
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I mean this part does seem pretty bad where you just didn't go in to work because you couldn't pay for parking. That's something you just can't do. Whether you have to pawn some shit or beg by the side of the road, not going to work just isn't an option at that point.

Either way, it doesn't sound like you have any kids so I don't get the point of talking down to you like you're hurting anyone and assigning blame really seems to miss the point.

I hope shit gets better for you.

What I don't get? If he was doing a good job, why didn't he go to his supervisor and explain the situation? "Hey Man. The Staffing agency was supposed to get me a parking pass. Well, they havent and I dont exactly have cash to park tomorrow. Is there something we can arrange? A pay advance or something"

Shit, if one of my guys came to me like that after busting ass? I'd of handed 'em a 20 and said to get lunch on me, too.

Fuck.
 
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What I don't get? If he was doing a good job, why didn't he go to his supervisor and explain the situation? "Hey Man. The Staffing agency was supposed to get me a parking pass. Well, they havent and I dont exactly have cash to park tomorrow. Is there something we can arrange? A pay advance or something"

Shit, if one of my guys came to me like that after busting ass? I'd of handed 'em a 20 and said to get lunch on me, too.

Fuck.

I don't see why you idiots are all hung up on who's to blame for everything. He was just venting because his life has gone to shit lately. I agree he could have done things better, but I don't see how that's relevant or how him accepting 100% of the blame changes shit.

Being a dick to him does nothing but make your own shitty life feel better by comparison. You're all just faggots.
 
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Ambiturner gets it

And give $20 to a dude from a temp agency on the first week? Give me a break. That foreman probably deals with a rotating crew 24/7. He can't just trust some random guy the first week he's there.
 
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The struggle is real bro, forum bros can be harsh and we are the masters of hind sight.

You will also come to find out our forum member base has HUGE income ranges - we have plenty of very well off high-mid and some actual upper-uppers - decent number of mid and low mids and some real actual day to day folks scraping by, that we all back in the day enjoyed a spot of two of EQ and have somehow ended up with all us other EQ neck-beards years later on this forum.

It sucks to do a lot of work and it go to shit because it was all "not real" - but that shows the value of "real" jobs... and it is hard to transfer that exp and time worked into an application - or at least one that wants the ability to be verified.

Under the table, day labor, pickup jobs etc. actually can net someone MORE money than an equivalent hourly job leveraging the same tradeskill... but there are advantages, and disadvantages to both.

I never made decent money in my career in low level service IT - I had chances to move to places were I could have made more, sometimes a lot more - but I didn't, because I have never had 1 day out of work since I started working the August after I graduated highschool. I am very thankful for that and owe a lot to my employer and the opportunities - 16 years later,1 marriage, 2 kids - and AA and BS degree and 5 positions/jobs later I am in one of the highest paid non-manager positions in the place - still I could go corporate and public sector from what I am doing - and could make an additional 10-20k a year...

It sucks for all the happenings you had to deal with compiling at once - I literally picture you as Will Smith in that one movie were the rich partner dude is like "yo can I borrow 20$ to pay this taxi or someshit" and it is his last 20$ while he goes through his unpaid internship etc.

I hope things turn around for you bro, hard work always pays off in the long run.
 
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TJT

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If you're early, you're on time. If you're on time, you're late. If you're late, you're forgotten.

I abandoned that shit with the army. Code is checked in and reviewed before X date and you did it at 11PM at home the night before?

Looks good bro, I'll be in the office at 2PM... maybe.
 

TJT

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My job is hourly, I'm not on salary. They still don't care if you're a few minutes late a few times a year. I can't even imagine how an employer can be that anal about it unless it's something like where it's mandated that a certain number of people are on duty at all times and you being late means someone else has to stay.

Yeah bro. Sorry for response necromancy but my childhood revolved around commercial fishing. You missed the several days prep for the boat before a 2 or 3 week fishing session? Yeah get fucked. Way too much work to be done and not nearly enough time allotted to halt the boat for your bitch ass. Good luck getting on another boat if you're that much of a shitbag too.

Commercial fisherman are nearly all furballs with extensive criminal records and outstanding warrants you need to pay in cash only. But they are damned hard workers for the month they're on the boat and they don't usually fuck that up.
 

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Yeah bro. Sorry for response necromancy but my childhood revolved around commercial fishing. You missed the several days prep for the boat before a 2 or 3 week fishing session? Yeah get fucked. Way too much work to be done and not nearly enough time allotted to halt the boat for your bitch ass. Good luck getting on another boat if you're that much of a shitbag too.

Commercial fisherman are nearly all furballs with extensive criminal records and outstanding warrants you need to pay in cash only. But they are damned hard workers for the month they're on the boat and they don't usually fuck that up.

Wait, what? Several days? I was talking about being five minutes late, not missing several days.
 

Alex

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People think Xequecal is talking about pulling a Peter Gibbons or something.
 

Zog

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Was thinking about the last year of my life and where I am now and what I should do for the future and remembered this thread.

My 1 year anniversary at my current job was on the 21st of August. Managed to get a job as an "Industrial Maintenance Technician" basically doing preventative maintenance and repairing/diagnosing problems on roll forming machines.

I've done extremely well with this job. Haven't missed a single day and haven't been late once (I usually get to work an hour early) which I'll be honest was entirely due to the harsh comments on this thread that forced me into really looking into myself and trying to see what my actions and general behavior lead to many things going south in my life.

With all that said my current dilemma is, I started work here at $12/hr which is pretty good starting pay for Florida wages but this company doesn't do 90 day raises, they do yearly evaluations. I got my paper work for my self evaluation and was told that in the next week (this was a week prior to my 1 year date) that we would all sit down and discuss my progress and I would find out what my raise would be.

It never happened and were already a week into September, of course I am really anxious for this raise because I am still scraping by, everything is getting paid and I have a stable residence which in itself is a blessing that I do not take for granted.

With all that said, this job has not been easy. I basically came into the job expecting to work under an experienced Tech that would train me and show me the ropes, the very first week of me starting, the Tech gave his 2 week notice on that Thursday and quit to never come back on that Friday.

For the next 3 months I was the only Tech on my shift, with nobody to help or guide me in any shape or form, no documentation at all to reference how to diagnose or fix problems, with around 90 production employees depending on me to keep 26 different roll forming machines running that literally break sprockets, chains, pistons, air lines, shafts, gear boxes and so much more, on top of material jams, change overs to different dimensions or bends depending on product availability and demand, on top of greasing berrings, shafts, documenting air compressor values, checking over-head cranes for any signs of problems and doing the actual maintenance on the building itself, changing light bulbs, ballasts, material racks, hell even replacing toilet wax rings and I'm forgetting a lot but you get the point.

It is a lot, especially for someone who has had no training or prior experience in this type of work.

Of course it has gotten considerably easier since the first 3 months. After the year mark, I know how to do my job extremely well.

Which brings me back to the start of this post... I have been told by my department supervisor that I should only expect at most a 2% raise, a 24 cent raise.

Is this really acceptable? Am I just being a greedy, entitled brat that thinks he deserves more than he should?

After everything I've been through I don't want to screw up something that I have worked so hard at but at the same time I feel like I am being taken for granted.

To give some perspective, my company makes $4-4.5 million a month, gross. We have around 110 employees spread out through 3 shifts.

I looked around on indeed, craigslist etc at similar positions in my area and they all start at $16/hr at the LOW END.

Is it time for me to look for a different company? Should I just keep my head down and work here another year for experience? Give my supervisor an ultimatum of give me more or I'm going to quit?

I'm so caught up in all the bullshit that I can't think straight, what should I do bros?
 
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With a $4/hr difference, you're probably not going to come to a reasonable compromise for a raise. Just make sure if you leave, you look at the entire compensation package. Is your insurance good at your current job? Do you have other benefits? 401k matching? Pension? Vacation? Are you on a tract to be promoted?
With all things being equal, I'd apply for those jobs, get the offer and if you your current company, take it to your boss and let them know you'd like them to match it or you're going. Just be prepared to leave.

$4/hr is over an $8k/yr difference. Leaving that on the table would be crazy.
 
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They're basing your raise, probably on your merits that you came in with, which is nothing. With hard work and lucky in a situation in which most people are supposed to fail (the usual 2 week notice, train your replacement fuckoff), you succeeded.

However, they're still basing your raise on your passed experience of nothing. Is this fair? you're a cog in a machine, what difference does it make how much "the company makes" vs. how much you're compensated?

You're getting paid for zero experience and a ton of on the job experience that you would not have had w/o this job, others in area earn 16$ p/hr, with how much experience?

I'm not saying, be thankful for what you get, no, if you believe you are worth more, then act accordingly, i'm trying to give you perspective on Management, and how they view you and your worth.
 
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moonarchia

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Use your year of experience as a resume line item and move on/up if the benefits are equal. If they aren't, give some hard thought as to what you need vs what you want.

Like Lanx said, you are going to be treated as a replaceable commodity regardless, so be mercenary and go with whoever wants to pay you more. And thank Trump for the market changing from an employer's market to an employee's market.
 
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Was thinking about the last year of my life and where I am now and what I should do for the future and remembered this thread.

My 1 year anniversary at my current job was on the 21st of August. Managed to get a job as an "Industrial Maintenance Technician" basically doing preventative maintenance and repairing/diagnosing problems on roll forming machines.

I've done extremely well with this job. Haven't missed a single day and haven't been late once (I usually get to work an hour early) which I'll be honest was entirely due to the harsh comments on this thread that forced me into really looking into myself and trying to see what my actions and general behavior lead to many things going south in my life.

With all that said my current dilemma is, I started work here at $12/hr which is pretty good starting pay for Florida wages but this company doesn't do 90 day raises, they do yearly evaluations. I got my paper work for my self evaluation and was told that in the next week (this was a week prior to my 1 year date) that we would all sit down and discuss my progress and I would find out what my raise would be.

It never happened and were already a week into September, of course I am really anxious for this raise because I am still scraping by, everything is getting paid and I have a stable residence which in itself is a blessing that I do not take for granted.

With all that said, this job has not been easy. I basically came into the job expecting to work under an experienced Tech that would train me and show me the ropes, the very first week of me starting, the Tech gave his 2 week notice on that Thursday and quit to never come back on that Friday.

For the next 3 months I was the only Tech on my shift, with nobody to help or guide me in any shape or form, no documentation at all to reference how to diagnose or fix problems, with around 90 production employees depending on me to keep 26 different roll forming machines running that literally break sprockets, chains, pistons, air lines, shafts, gear boxes and so much more, on top of material jams, change overs to different dimensions or bends depending on product availability and demand, on top of greasing berrings, shafts, documenting air compressor values, checking over-head cranes for any signs of problems and doing the actual maintenance on the building itself, changing light bulbs, ballasts, material racks, hell even replacing toilet wax rings and I'm forgetting a lot but you get the point.

It is a lot, especially for someone who has had no training or prior experience in this type of work.

Of course it has gotten considerably easier since the first 3 months. After the year mark, I know how to do my job extremely well.

Which brings me back to the start of this post... I have been told by my department supervisor that I should only expect at most a 2% raise, a 24 cent raise.

Is this really acceptable? Am I just being a greedy, entitled brat that thinks he deserves more than he should?

After everything I've been through I don't want to screw up something that I have worked so hard at but at the same time I feel like I am being taken for granted.

To give some perspective, my company makes $4-4.5 million a month, gross. We have around 110 employees spread out through 3 shifts.

I looked around on indeed, craigslist etc at similar positions in my area and they all start at $16/hr at the LOW END.

Is it time for me to look for a different company? Should I just keep my head down and work here another year for experience? Give my supervisor an ultimatum of give me more or I'm going to quit?

I'm so caught up in all the bullshit that I can't think straight, what should I do bros?


you arent going to get a raise. There was probably a good reason why the guy who was supposed to train you quit like that.

remember this simple rule about working for others. Only you truly know and value your experience, any employer has an obligation to undervalue you to keep their costs low.

I would find another job. Its an employees market right now anyhow, enjoy it while it lasts.
 
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Give my supervisor an ultimatum of give me more or I'm going to quit?

DO NOT do this! It sounds like you've made a ton of progress since starting this thread. You do not want to end up back there again.
Sure, look for another job that pays more, but don't let your current boss even suspect that you're looking (or anyone else at your job for that matter) until you've accepted another job and turn in your notice.

There may be some cases where playing chicken with your boss can work, but you need to be damned sure that your life can handle it if the result is him telling you to "get the fuck out" on the spot. If you're barely scraping by, I assume that everything would go to shit if you had to go a month or more with no work/income.

I mean, you sound like you can deal with some shit when you've got things together. Browse through craigslist and see what people are charging for random shit that you could do on the weekend. You might be surprised how much money you can pickup on the weekends compared to a 12/hr day job. You could potentially double your monthly income or more with a good weekend of even household stuff (moving, trimming trees, landscaping, etc.), and that doesn't even consider skilled stuff like repair.

If you could start dumping some weekend cash into an emergency fund, it will do wonders for your security/stress level. Having a few months of expenses available if you need it will make your life feel far more stable and will let you take advantage of some opportunities/chances that wouldn't be reasonable otherwise.
 
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As others have said, be sure to evaluate your compensation package in its entirety - insurance, 401k, paid time off, commuting time to/from work, etc. In my experience, the only way to get an immediate and significant raise is to shop yourself around to other prospective employers. Once you have an offer, if you like where you’re at, take that offer to your current employer and see if they’ll match it. Obviously don’t do this if you’re not willing to actually work at the other place. You can only do this once, maybe twice, to your current employer before they just find someone else who is less of a hassle.

Edit: An ultimatum is literally never an option when you’re dealing with someone that you want to continue interacting with. Your relationship will be stained by that ultimatum FOREVER. That being said, ultimatums useful when you never want to deal with someone again.

Asking your current employer to match your prospective employers offer is not an ultimatum so long as you don’t frame it like one. For example: “These guys are offering me $16/hr. If you can match that, then I’d love to continue working here. This isn’t personal. I just need to do what’s best for my family.”
 
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That's really what I needed to hear. I do love working here but I want to progress as well, I did some scouting today on a number of websites but to my surprise quite a few are no longer looking for people and the ones that are now are wanting 2-3 years experience. All the ones I saw before were 1 year at the most... So thats kind of disappointing.

I read the forums from someone I can't remember who said it but, basically it's nearly impossible to actually work your way up the ladder, you have to be willing to lay down the gauntlet to get anywhere and follow through if things don't work out.

I guess regardless I need to continue for at least another year here to have a decent chance at these other companies.

The benefits here are quite good with a yearly bonus thats around 1-2 paychecks depending on profits so it isn't terrible by any means, I just feel like I am not progressing anymore without any mentors in the company. There's only one guy in my department that has been here longer than I have and he's a disaster, which causes me a lot of grief but I suppose it does make me look better than I really am.

I just want to do the right thing and I don't really have anyone to bounce these ideas off of, my immediate boss is probably the closest thing to a mentor but it would be destructive to our relationship to mention anything about leaving the company, for obvious reasons.
 

moonarchia

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That's really what I needed to hear. I do love working here but I want to progress as well, I did some scouting today on a number of websites but to my surprise quite a few are no longer looking for people and the ones that are now are wanting 2-3 years experience. All the ones I saw before were 1 year at the most... So thats kind of disappointing.

I read the forums from someone I can't remember who said it but, basically it's nearly impossible to actually work your way up the ladder, you have to be willing to lay down the gauntlet to get anywhere and follow through if things don't work out.

I guess regardless I need to continue for at least another year here to have a decent chance at these other companies.

The benefits here are quite good with a yearly bonus thats around 1-2 paychecks depending on profits so it isn't terrible by any means, I just feel like I am not progressing anymore without any mentors in the company. There's only one guy in my department that has been here longer than I have and he's a disaster, which causes me a lot of grief but I suppose it does make me look better than I really am.

I just want to do the right thing and I don't really have anyone to bounce these ideas off of, my immediate boss is probably the closest thing to a mentor but it would be destructive to our relationship to mention anything about leaving the company, for obvious reasons.

Never be afraid to talk to a recruiter if you don't have X years of experience. Just be able to articulate the experience you do have, and be ready for the questions about the work they will toss at you to verify whether you are ready or not. Go in with a positive attitude, and don't worry if you fail. Just use it as experience and maybe a guideline on what skills and knowledge to work on. Talk to your supervisor about training opportunities. Ask him about career paths. If he can't tell you what opportunities are available, you might be right about it being a dead end.